http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/ shore adaptations in the genus Homo Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:13:44 GMT William Bond http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46979 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46979 Hi Everyone In the latest "Scientific America" although AAT is not mentioned there is some acknowledgement of human's aquatic past. In the article "Traces of a Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:36:52 GMT DDeden http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46978 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46978 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endosymbiotic_theory source of organelles in cells, etc. Just considering this at a different scale, eg. macro - domestication of Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:21:52 GMT DDeden http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46977 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46977 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/06/30/GR2008063000010.html Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:52:45 GMT Marc Verhaegen http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46976 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46976 ... Partly: I think the traditional linguists are mostly right in describing which changes happened (sound laws or rules (klankwetten), eg, s->h- Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:29:48 GMT Marc Verhaegen http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46975 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46975 ... An external nose is no good argument for an aquatic past, but it seems to be an argument for a qemi-aquatic past. From my Nutr.+Health paper: "An external Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:14:47 GMT Marc Verhaegen http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46974 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46974 Curr.Anthr.49 The Chimpanzee Has No Clothes A Critical Examination of Pan troglodytes in Models of Human Evolution K Sayers & CO Lovejoy 2008 Chimpanzee Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:09:00 GMT Marc Verhaegen http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46973 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46973 ... (All apes are hanging (below-branch). I'd think not the pongids, but only the African great apes became more terrestrial-arboreal afterwards (hanging + Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:42:32 GMT Marc Verhaegen http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46972 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46972 Thanks a lot for the photos, Dan. What we see in the gibbons (esp."long" noses?) is not beyond what can sometimes be seen in Macaca spp I'd think. Great apes Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:52:07 GMT DDeden http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46971 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46971 Dan, you raise good points. I've looked at this before, and concluded that (much based on Marc's work, but with focus on tidal waterside life during the LCA Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:32:30 GMT DDeden http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46970 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46970 http://dienekes.blogspot.com/ Dairying in Neolithic Europe Clicking languages Face attractiveness Bronze age artfacts Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:12:50 GMT Dan G. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46969 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46969 ... Here are a few photos, showing gibbons and siamangs that appear to have external noses: http://www.pbase.com/sayer/image/81844758 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:11:43 GMT DDeden http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46968 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46968 http://scienceblogs.com/zooillogix/2008/07/pig_in_boots.php Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:42:13 GMT DDeden http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46967 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46967 http://social.moldova.org/stiri/eng/132536/ Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:17:04 GMT DDeden http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46966 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46966 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16919123 The second general conclusion to emerge from recent research is that the domain of expertise for Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:03:22 GMT DDeden http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46965 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT/message/46965 This segment from the baboon link is interesting, compared to human language, word order & social hierarchy: Baboons pay little attention when a normal