http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/ Ancient Near East 2 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:07:44 GMT Jascha Kessler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10983 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10983 re Socrates:What an odd thing Hagens asserts: i.e., that Socrates peers had no idea of what is meant by his stopping in mid-stride to consult with his dæmon? Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:07:22 GMT George F Somsel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10982 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10982 The question is whether we really know anything regarding the historical Socrates.  We know him as projected by Plato as an agent to propound Plato's own Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:05:45 GMT Graham Hagens http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10981 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10981 This is late. Sorry. ... Certainly the original Axial Age concept has serious shortcomings.  These are now widely recognised, in spite of Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:01:41 GMT Lisbeth S. Fried http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10980 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10980 Can people please keep changing the subject line when the topic changes? This hasn't been about "exile and return" for a long time. Liz Fried Ann Arbor _____ Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:12:04 GMT Frank Polak http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10979 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10979 Dear Emanuel, My feeling is that the attention to cutural memory enables us to discuss the literary structure and values of the "historical" account without Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:37:49 GMT Frank Polak http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10978 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10978 Dear Niels Peter, Well, partly, of course, for our picture of the Menashean period must be more than just a little distorted (and Rainey has done much work at Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:24:06 GMT Emanuel O. Pfoh http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10977 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10977 Dear Frank,   always a pleasure reading your messages.   Just some thoughts. As you say, cultural memories is a tricky business, especially in biblical Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:23:09 GMT Niels Peter Lemche http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10976 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10976 Dear Frank, We must one day try to get you up here. You have more than one friend in town! There is definitely more to history in Kings than is sometimes Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:43:00 GMT Ariel L. Szczupak http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10975 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10975 At 10:23 AM 7/4/2009, Niels Peter Lemche wrote: [...] ... Can the non-HB evidence predict the HB evidence - interesting idea, theoretically valid, and similar Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:12:42 GMT Frank Polak http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10974 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10974 Dear Niels Peter, Cultural Memory is very tricky business, but I agree that this aspect of historiography is to be taken into account in any attempt to assess Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:51:58 GMT Marc Cooper http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10973 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10973 Sad to say, Liverani was right. I regularly do a source exercise with my students concerning Caesar's victory over Pharnaces which is associated with the Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:37:54 GMT Niels Peter Lemche http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10972 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10972 Liverani said the same a long time before, in one of his articles from the 1970s about Hittite historiography: That students of ancient history are lazy Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:34:12 GMT Graham Hagens http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10971 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10971 ... Perhaps not the farm; but I don't believe that this statement is very accurate. In a recent post, Thomas Thompson stated that one must have evidence to Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:30:41 GMT Niels Peter Lemche http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10970 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10970 Yes there is, if you are following a canon of art that demands how you should look like. The portrait as a real endeavour to depict a person may be quite late, Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:24:23 GMT Niels Peter Lemche http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10969 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10969 Dear Frank, To your first part: I do think that we agree on this. That's why I introduced the note in 2nd Kings on Sennacherib's attack. I cannot remember if