http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/ In support of the ARMATI historical miniatures game, by Arty Conliffe. Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:26:35 GMT Chris Cosentino http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32489 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32489 I think not making the elephants key would have this effect--kind of scythed chariot like. In our scenario as the Carthaginians bottled up his own troops it Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:51:11 GMT Graham Bryson http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32488 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32488 How about using the elephants as scythed chariots, but retaining the rules for running amok etc. That seems to reflect how hannibal was using them. They will Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:50:51 GMT bryson_graham http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32487 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32487 How about using the elephants as scythed chariots, but=retaining the rules for running amok etc. That seems to reflect how hannib=l was using them. They will Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:51:17 GMT emanfpc http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32486 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32486 ... . Absolutely true ... but I would say play the scenario and then see what you think afterwards. Would love to hear your feedback. And then maybe play it Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:36:19 GMT Mark Grindlay http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32485 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32485 Ash, I'm not sure Hannibal did expect the Elephants to win anything.  I think this is more of a Roman slant on their superiorty, and the backwardness of the Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:13:51 GMT ashley.solo http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32484 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32484 ... Yes, Steve, I get it. I don't play in tourneys and seldom use points. Emanpf's Zama scenario which is in the files section is equal points with elephants Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:06:16 GMT ashley.solo http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32483 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32483 Sorry to disagree. ... It is very clear from the historical battle that the elephants played a huge role. they represent 'how' Hannibal hoped to win it. The Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:07:01 GMT emanfpc http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32482 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32482 ... . I have to disagree with my friend, but that's nothing new "lol", the battle and scenario was/is far from unbalanced. Yes the Romans won, but it had Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:12:09 GMT Christopher Leach http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32481 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32481 My pleasure. Chris ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:19:16 GMT glen7764 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32480 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32480 ... Hi Chris, thats 100% what i was looking for , many thanks from me and my club Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:44:05 GMT Chris Cosentino http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32479 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32479 In our scenario, if the elephants were not key it would make the battle far more balanced, even if we took a BP away from the Carthaginians on that side. I Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:43:12 GMT sfp55@... http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32478 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32478 In a message dated 7/1/2009 12:39:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ashley.solo@... writes: anyone using Armati 2 lists as a start point will have them as Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:56:24 GMT Christopher Leach http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32477 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32477 This is what I have developed for my group borrowing from the Lance and Longbow society and other places: WARS OF THE ROSES Armati II Campaign System This Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:39:13 GMT ashley.solo http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32476 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32476 ... anyone using Armati 2 lists as a start point will have them as key units, Steve (and @ a fairly costly 10 points each, I think). Ash Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:33:14 GMT glen7764 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32475 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ARMATI/message/32475 Hi Chaps, any you wotr lads have any good house rules for the wotr???? would love to hear any. thanks in advance glen