http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/ Agile Embedded Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:52:39 GMT marktxx http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/453 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/453 I agree with this poster that vanilla XP is not a good fit for complex embedded systems. If no systems design is done (including some SW architecture) before Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:47:08 GMT Hagar, Jon D http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/452 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/452 Exactly. And this idea has power, but may have limitations (e.g. how class to the real hardware is the engineer?). ... From: AgileEmbedded@yahoogroups.com Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:09:51 GMT James Grenning http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/451 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/451 What this means to an agile team, whose embedded application involves many actors, is that a single person playing the role of the customer is likely to not Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:55:13 GMT karl_l_hofmann http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/450 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/450 Hello all, I'm a hw/sw engineer working on safety-critical train control systems. Our business is a mixture of project development and product development. I Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:51:26 GMT Greg Williams http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/449 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/449 Piet, Welcome to the group! You can search through our previous posts, since this has been asked previously. We have some papers and presentations that had Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:13:51 GMT pietcordemans http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/448 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/448 Hi, I'm Piet, currently a research associate of the catholic university college of Bruges/Ostend (Belgium). I'm currently working on a project to transfer Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:49:29 GMT Hagar, Jon D http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/447 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/447 One problem with Agile in embedded I have seen is the nature of what is a "user". I follow James Whittaker view that a user/customer can be anything/one - Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:27:54 GMT marktxx http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/446 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/446 When replying to a Digest message please take a moment to change the subject to an appropriate message title. Many folks like to follow the messages by thread Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:18:54 GMT Nancy Van Schooenderwoert http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/445 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/445 Hi Jack! Nice to see you here in this little group. You're right to point out that it can be too vague to just say "some testing", but if the team is really Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:18:05 GMT Greg Williams http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/444 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/444 Jack, I definitely agree with your argument, and I definitely push for 100% test coverage. I want to clarify that I specifically meant that some test Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:03:39 GMT Jack Ganssle http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/443 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/443 The idea of automated testing is tremendously appealing but very hard in the embedded world. But it scares me when we talk about "some testing being better Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:54:04 GMT Greg Williams http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/442 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/442 One topic that I see left out of this discussion that I want to add is Continuous Integration (CI). A precursor to being able utilize CI is to have tests that Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:48:09 GMT James Grenning http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/441 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/441 Hi Stephen I'll add a little to Nancy's sound advice on design... One important realization on the journey from a BDUF approach to an iterative and agile Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:31:22 GMT Nancy Van Schooenderwoert http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/440 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/440 Hi Stephen, You've certainly brought up a number of key areas where embedded folks tend to get tripped up when they are new to Agile and XP. I think I can give Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:05:31 GMT James Grenning http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/439 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AgileEmbedded/message/439 Hi Steve Thanks for the detailed account of your experiences. It seems like there are numerous things we could talk about. After a quick scan it seems that