http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/ Bah?'? Community Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:30:44 GMT Susan Maneck http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13251 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13251 ... It seems to me that Doug is conflating two different types of meanings. If we are going to define spiritual as simply 'non-material' then it has no real Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:19:42 GMT Susan Maneck http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13250 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13250 ... Yes, those are both things that need to be taken care of if we are going to have any real health care reform. Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:19:39 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13249 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13249 ... Doug, they stick it to insurance companies and to individuals who do not have insurance but are not destitute. This is one of the reasons medical care is Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:18:10 GMT Susan Maneck http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13248 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13248 ... I think they have to bill you but they don't have to take any other steps to actually collect. There is a Baha'i doctor in our town who always returns my Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:46:59 GMT Susan Maneck http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13247 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13247 Just one week to go before the Wilmette Institute's three-month course on Women in the Baha'i Faith starts. The course, which is online only (no classes to Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:21:28 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13246 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13246 Baha'is are not immune to mental illness, or to moral failure. - Dan Cooper Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:21:24 GMT Susan Maneck http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13245 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13245 ... And many of them are brilliant scientists and doctors as well. Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:21:16 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13244 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13244 Hi Iris, ... I am not sure of the difference. Perhaps you are defining coercion differently than I do. Could you give some examples? If a cop is waiting for Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:20:10 GMT Don Calkins http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13243 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13243 ... Depends, of course, on what you mean by spiritual. In some of the early translations of Abdu'l-Baha, it seems to me that what has been translated as Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:19:53 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13242 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13242 Dear Susan, ... That is part of it. Another part is that medical costs are so outrageous here. In France I could go to a private general practitioner for 20 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:18:19 GMT Douglas McAdam http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13241 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13241 Yes, that is right Susan. I forgot that point about the 80%. However a retired RN friend of mine said that one can ask a doctor if they will accept an Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:24:57 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13240 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13240 Hi Doug, ... I would say that "profit at all cost" is greed. The profit need for survival of a business, or a fair profit for your work, is not greed. ... Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:22:58 GMT Iain Palin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13239 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13239 I would say an intellect influenced by the spirit is needed. But intellect is not per se spiritual. There are a lot of brilliant atheists. Iain. ... From: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:20:57 GMT Robert Walker http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13238 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13238 Dear Susan, I don't know about the Guardian, but it seems to me I read that Bahá'u'lláh or 'Abdu'l-Bahá was loath to use special knowledge to heal Himself. Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:20:33 GMT Susan Maneck http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13237 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bahai-Community/message/13237 We use authority to rule, not ... Authority and power are two different things. Authority cannot punish without power and the exercise of power involves