http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/ CollegeConversation Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:22:57 GMT Rohit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21317 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21317 ... cited Greece ... You are right. It was Stuart. I think that a government like that of ancient Greece would not now be considered a real democracy. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:03:32 GMT David McDonagh http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21316 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21316 ... of them to win out. Rohit: But you yourself said that a majority was unnecessary and cited Greece as an example. McD: I think that was Stuart. I have never Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:51:09 GMT Rohit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21315 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21315 ... of them to win out. But you yourself said that a majority was unnecessary and cited Greece as an example. Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:38:50 GMT David McDonagh http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21314 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21314 ... McD: It seems we cannot have that. It needs many people & a majority of them to win out. Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:36:23 GMT David McDonagh http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21313 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21313 ... Rohit: Or, perhaps, "extreme democracy"! :) McD: Democracy will be a dictatordhip, as all govermnment is but it needs a majority. Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:52:40 GMT Stuart W. Mirsky http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21312 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21312 ... the ... benefit ... are ... the ... Well, I quoted him both from his initial statements and what he says at the end. I don't think I've misread him but who Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:39:18 GMT Rohit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21311 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21311 ... That is not how I read it. I thought he was taking it for granted that for such a practice to exist, there had to be some benefit to the soeity which Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:53:51 GMT Stuart W. Mirsky http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21310 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21310 The last point is interesting since it seems to belie an earlier point setting up an interesting paradox in the argument. Early on the writer avers that Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:36:45 GMT Rohit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21309 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21309 ... Or, perhaps, "extreme democracy"! :) Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:33:17 GMT Stuart W. Mirsky http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21308 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21308 ... Hmmm, maybe he'd favor that I suppose. I think it's called by another name though: "dictatorship" or, perhaps, "monarchy". -- SWM Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:06:25 GMT Rohit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21307 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21307 I sort of suspect that Western liberals won't be outraged if something bad happens, as long as it happens to men... ... CUTTING THE COMPETITION Jun 19th 2008 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:31:03 GMT Rohit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21306 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21306 What about a "democracy" where only one person can vote? :) Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:37:16 GMT Stuart W. Mirsky http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21305 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21305 Yes, Rohit, we don't quite know what McD is but he avows he is no democrat, is opposed to all governments and all states. Does that make him an anarchist? Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:26:37 GMT David McDonagh http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21304 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21304 McD: My point was that what the majority wanted was democratic. There is nothing liberal about democracy.   Would the majority vote to take the vote away from Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:12:19 GMT Rohit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21303 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CollegeConversation/message/21303 Greece was long ago - the standards now are a bit different. If a two year old child knows how to add 3 + 4 and come out with 7 we will all be impressed, but