http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/ A list for those wishing to learn, teach, or debate about genetics in the domesticated ferret. Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:14:55 GMT wolfysluv@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4277 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4277 Two months ago, I lost my wolfysluv.com because the?generous fella who donated the domain to me accidentally let it expire.? I was hoping to be able to scoop Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:57:29 GMT Sukie Crandall http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4276 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4276 Now, I think that there is some confusion between genetics (what shows in the individual) and population genetics (what shows in the population) so here are Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:42:35 GMT Sukie Crandall http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4275 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4275 Perhaps there is a different way you can say what you mean? It is always important to remember that mutations are not directional. What is turned on and off Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:48:25 GMT Joan Clague http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4274 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4274 ... You have stated things here very well, and I wouldn't think that anyone with a good knowledge of practical genetics would have any trouble understanding Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:39:41 GMT Roseann http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4273 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4273 ... I am definitely not stating things very well here. Lemarkianism is not where I was trying. Simply put, I was just trying to state that stress is a catalyst Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:52:47 GMT Sukie Crandall http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4272 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4272 ... No, that also occurs with gradual pressures upon a population. Remember to not confuse the shifts in rates that happen with population genetics with the Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:55:27 GMT Roseann http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4271 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4271 ... This would true in situations where the changes are dramatic, such as a severe climate change which would change not only the environment but the foods Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:55:00 GMT Sukie Crandall http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4270 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4270 ... Rates of mutation are not by organism but by allele. As a result anything with plenty of alleles: humans, ferrets, rice (which has a heck of lot more Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:34:46 GMT Tony Clarke http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4269 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4269 ... Exactly and also applies to albinos from 'good' sable backgrounds. Tony (not a vet), Sugar and Suki. In memory of Sally and Sue. Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:27:33 GMT Tony Clarke http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4268 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4268 ... This may be true but you cannot rely on albinos to be carrying any particular color gene set. You would need history of their ancestry of 3 or better 4 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:19:03 GMT Joan Clague http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4267 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4267 ... I am well aware that genes mutate. However, the rate of mutation is relatively low. Since this discussion has to do with the genetic causes of NCD in Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:25:54 GMT Sukie Crandall http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4266 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4266 ... Well, normally it's that the populations adapt by those individuals who are not well suited dying off, but mutations do help allow for variations that can Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:55:08 GMT Roseann http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4265 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4265 ... I agree with most of what has been said. ... This is a good example of using established lines and good record keeping in action. ... I can only speak for Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:06:31 GMT Sukie Crandall http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4264 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4264 Actually, genes DO change. Everyone here has some mutations, for instance -- usually multiple ones given the allele rate of genetic mutation. Everyone here is Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:22:00 GMT Joan Clague http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4263 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Genetics/message/4263 ... If her breeding stock has a background free of the patterns known to carry/produce NCD, then she shouldn't be seeing any of it. I breed medium to dark