http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/ This list is for the discussion of colour mutations and genetics in all species of parrots on a mainly technical level. Basic k Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:52:31 GMT Stella Luuk http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18550 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18550 I've never encountered a NSL Ino cockatitel in Canada, they appear to be all sexlinked Ino here. The only place I've read of them was in Dr. Terry Martin's Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:04:20 GMT Rick Solis http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18549 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18549 It is related to fallow like pastelface is to whiteface. No cinnamon involved, it is completely recessive! They have it in Holland and Czech Republic. Rick Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:52:34 GMT Susanne Russo http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18548 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18548 Ah...then it must be similar to the cinnamon fallow in the US.  Susanne Russo, Ft. Lauderdale Florida, USA Hornaments Miniature Horn FurnitureOnline Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:03:10 GMT Rick Solis http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18547 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18547 I've been told there is a picture of the NSL Ino in one of Terry's books and that it is allelic with the Bronze-Fallow. Have not seen it though. Rick Solis Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:09:42 GMT charlotte http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18546 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18546 There is just one man on this island (0ahu), that I know of that could answer that. I've read about nonsex linked ino but I don't know if they are here. I Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:05:45 GMT Susanne Russo http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18545 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18545 Other mutation that have red eyes are recessive silver and fallow.  Some cinnamon chicks will hatch out with a red appearring eye, but it darkens within a Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:17:10 GMT Dilson Aquino http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18544 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18544 Every INO cockatiel I bred here in the USA was sex linked. I never saw an NSLino but the literature says they exist. Dilson/Miami/FL/USA ... From: Allan Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:30:13 GMT Allan Macdonald http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18543 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18543 How rare is the Non sex linked ino in cockatiels where you are as I haven't seen much mention of them here in Australia, I know they were around in the past Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:16:32 GMT Allan Macdonald http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18542 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18542 Can you tell us what mutation the Umber would fit as it shows up a grey type colour on my computer and umber describes a brown colour Allan Macdonald Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:02:33 GMT charlotte http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18541 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18541 wow...interesting...Mahalo nui Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:54:06 GMT Pablo Caride http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18540 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18540 Hi Jiju, it's very interesting indeed to know where a particular strain comes from. I wish you good luck breeding plumhead mutations. Out of interest, I'm Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:35:07 GMT dilson http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18539 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18539 Both the cinnamon and the pearl (opaline) mutations are sex linked on cockatiels. The INO factors may be sex linked (INO) or non-sex-linked (NSLino). Since Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:18:53 GMT charlotte http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18538 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18538 New baby. Yellow down black (dark) eyes. What are the possibilities? Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:16:33 GMT charlotte http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18537 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18537 Aloha Monica-- Can you please tell me what they are? Lutino is the only one I know that has yellow down and pink eyes Mahalo-- Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:03:09 GMT JIJU JOHN http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18536 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Genetics-Psittacine/message/18536 Hi Pablo, These birds are not mine. I have just collected the umber Blue hen this year,i will be able to breed them next year on. They were bred in Bird Farm