http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/ GlyphStudy, Middle Egyptian Study group Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:49:15 GMT Grant Hicks http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6354 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6354 Sorry. All I meant was that I don't think Hoch himself uses the terms "subjective genitive" and "objective genitive". (I tend to assume that everyone Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:47:05 GMT Grant Hicks http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6353 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6353 Latin has no aorist. - Grant ... In Latin and Greek, the aorist verb has a time situation that is often undefined. Egyptian is even more interesting in that Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:42:40 GMT MICHAEL D http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6352 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6352 Hi Grant Thanks a great help, but what does "but not, llRC, by Hoch" mean? Michael Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:05:57 GMT Bobby the Baboon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6351 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6351 In Latin and Greek, the aorist verb has a time situation that is often undefined. Egyptian is even more interesting in that the tenses do not always reflect Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:44:40 GMT Grant Hicks http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6350 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6350 Karen, I believe Jim was referring to the most recent homework assignment for the Hoch '09 group. Nevertheless, your advice is good. Jim, would it help if Bob Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:03:41 GMT KMOTC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6349 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6349 Hey Jim ( : Don't be discouraged--it takes a long time before this stuff sinks into your brain. Trust me. Just keep at it--you will eventually find that you Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:57:25 GMT James http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6348 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6348 Sorry I did not turn in my assignment. It has been a frustrating week with Verizon and I think I am getting stuck and intimadated. There is sooo much to Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:37:55 GMT KMOTC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6347 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6347 m Htp all, Here's the latest Allen 2007 Collation best, Karen Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:37:28 GMT KMOTC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6346 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6346 m Htp all, Here's the latest Allen 2007 Collation best, Karen Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:25:23 GMT Grant Hicks http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6345 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6345 Michael, I think this is Hoch's way of referring to the pragmatic role that a noun takes in a verbal construction, as opposed to its grammatical role. For Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:57:08 GMT MICHAEL D http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6344 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6344 Can someone explain to a linguistic novice what 'Logical' when attached to 'Direct or Indirect Object' means, and do 'Non-logical Objects' exist which seems to Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:05:03 GMT Francesco Scaravilli http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6343 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6343 From what I can remember from school times, the aorist in Greek means a past action that is not repetitive and that is concluded. Best regards Francesco Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:53:08 GMT KMOTC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6342 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6342 Hey Gang, Here's the latest ( : best, Karen Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:26:39 GMT Robert Federal http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6341 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6341 Hi Gang! This gets curioser and curiouser! I, too, have the 2003 reprint and the dot is missing in my copy. It seems Michael was lucky; Rob Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:24:47 GMT Philip Salter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6340 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlyphStudy/message/6340 Hi Robert and Michael, Thanks for your replies. Robert, it is the transliteration which appears to be an error in certain editions of C&Ms book. My copy was