http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/ Grand Canyon Hikers Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:13:34 GMT PhilG http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58519 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58519 Does anyone know if the road is still open to the North Rim? Phil Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:34:56 GMT maryphyl http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58518 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58518 So in the end it was much ado about nothing--sigh. mp Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:33:48 GMT Chris F http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58517 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58517 Well, not completely free (see article) but it does put a stake in the ground at the opposite end of the issue from the New Hampshire policy. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:29:36 GMT maryphyl http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58516 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58516 I hiked out day before yesterday and the areas that are being worked on are very easy to bypass--mp Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:40:46 GMT Reid Priedhorsky http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58515 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58515 ... Sure, glad to help. To be specific, these are the Schneier books I recommend: Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly about Security in an Uncertain World Schneier Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:37:45 GMT Chris F http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58514 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58514 Automated password guessing is easy. Even for passwords with "tricks" like 1's for I's and @'s for a's, etc. Believe me the bad guys have thought of every Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:35:38 GMT Chris F http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58513 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58513 Hi Dennis! I was just being conservative since the discrepancy in the numbers between the text and the chart left some doubt. If the total is 696 then it was Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:56:55 GMT Bob Bordasch http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58512 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58512 I had never given it much thought -- maybe I should have.  I think my password would be difficult to guess, but then for convenience I use the same password Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:36:39 GMT Reid Priedhorsky http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58511 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58511 ... I shop online as much as possible, too. But no banking -- they're different beasts. If you read the fine print of your online banking contract, I'm 99% Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:25:01 GMT DennisF http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58510 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58510 Hi Chris, In fact, if I am reading the info correctly, less than 30% of the first day permits went to commercial guides. The pie chart show Arizona permits Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:49:25 GMT Doug Nering http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58509 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58509 This really is about the most basic security. A verifiable credit-card transaction by e-mail would be instantly sucked off by any server the message may go Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:33:59 GMT Shioshya http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58508 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58508 Chris, That's one of the strengths of this forum - to entertain and to question their policy and procedures. We might even figure out some things that they Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:28:54 GMT Chris F http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58507 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58507 I am interested to note that in 2008 there were several months for which no initial-month permit requests were denied. Specifically, those months were Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:14:58 GMT Chris F http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58506 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58506 This is from the Questions and Answers web page: Q: Why does this change apply to the whole initial month? A: Keeping this change in place for the whole Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:11:18 GMT Chris F http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58505 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grand_Canyon_Hikers/message/58505 Many of the questions we've had on this issue are answered by the great amount of detailed information on this site. This link goes far beyond the press