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    <description>The latest HDTV equipment and stations</description>

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      <title>Re: All HD news</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:38:06 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Richard Swank</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25501</link>
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      <description>If KNBC is not HD already they are working on it as we speak.  There might be union issues or the fact that KNBC is moving to the Universal location that is</description>
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      <title>Re: Local news and programming in HD</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:30:50 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Richard Swank</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25500</link>
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      <description>KNTV also has that capability if the commercials are available in HD.  We now produce local spots in HD if the vendor request it. _____ From:</description>
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      <title>Re: KCSM Antenna location on Sutro after September 2009</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:25:59 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Richard Swank</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25499</link>
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      <description>It&#39;s the a new antenna with V-pol and H-pol radiation patterns built in.  We actually feed both sections of the antenna with transmitter outputs.  Since we&#39;ll</description>
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      <title>Re: KCSM Antenna location on Sutro after September 2009</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:18:45 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Richard Swank</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25498</link>
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      <description>When we go more V-Pol we will use either higher H-pol gain or more transmitter power.   No lower H-pol power. _____ From: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com</description>
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      <title>Re: KCSM Antenna location on Sutro after September 2009</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:24:39 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Nick Sayer</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25497</link>
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      <description>... Conceivably. But you can make a broadband antenna for UHF that would have a flat enough SWR curve to cover a healthy chunk of the band without too much</description>
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      <title>Re: KCSM Antenna location on Sutro after September 2009</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:21:24 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Nick Sayer</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25496</link>
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      <description>... bother. I ... case. ... Wow. How stupid is that? ... You have my sympathy.</description>
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      <title>All HD news</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:26:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Francis L. Martin</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25495</link>
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      <description>Larry Kenny wrote: &quot;With KNTV going HD with their newscasts, the San Francisco Bay Area might possibly be the first market in the country where ALL stations </description>
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      <title>Re: KCSM Antenna location on Sutro after September 2009</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:03:16 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Matthew Kaufman</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25494</link>
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      <description>... Wideband antennas do have less gain than narrowband antennas using the same amount of metal, but the advantages of smaller numbers of antennas on</description>
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      <title>Re: KCSM Antenna location on Sutro after September 2009</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:57:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25493</link>
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      <description>... feed ... A single antenna designed and built for H-Pol and V-Pol that is, with the percentage of V-Pol requested to be included as part of the antenna </description>
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      <title>Local news and programming in HD</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:44:11 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Larry Kenney</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25492</link>
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      <description>With KNTV going HD with their newscasts, the San Francisco Bay Area might possibly be the first market in the country where ALL stations are doing their news</description>
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      <title>Re: KCSM Antenna location on Sutro after September 2009</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:42:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25491</link>
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      <description>... A single antenna can transmit H-Pol and V-Pol, one does not need to feed two separate antennas for that.</description>
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      <title>Re: KCSM Antenna location on Sutro after September 2009</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:35:32 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25490</link>
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      <description>... mask ... I left out the loss of the transmission line.  The antenna input power can be a couple or a few kW less than the TPO.  The TPO is calculated to be</description>
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      <title>Re: KCSM Antenna location on Sutro after September 2009</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:30:39 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>epicurusradium</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25489</link>
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      <description>... I meant POLARIZATION not (geographic) pattern changes. I was referring to the polarization pattern -- which I guess is a technical linguistic protocol</description>
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      <title>Re: KCSM Antenna location on Sutro after September 2009</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:22:36 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25488</link>
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      <description>... mask ... The &quot;higher&quot; and &quot;lower&quot; channels I was referring to are all UHF as the existing shared antenna at Sutro is UHF-only.</description>
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      <title>Re: KCSM Antenna location on Sutro after September 2009</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:14:06 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/HDTV-in-SFbay/message/25487</link>
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      <description>... There is a small amount of additional loss because of the addition of a station combiner but nothing to write home about.  The antenna gain for the type of</description>
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