http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/ HOLDER 20 Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:50:36 GMT timmie993 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1191 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1191 Thanks for the tip, I just left John a message. Also thanks for the shout out from Michigan... that's just a but too far unless I get desperate. Tim Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:26:53 GMT JustShane@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1190 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1190 I second calling John! He's a good guy and has a good boat to sell. In a message dated 10/23/2009 2:23:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pacificjrny@... Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:23:13 GMT John Duthie http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1189 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1189 Call John in Central Coast area @ 805-704-1103 To: HOLDER20CLASS@yahoogroups.com From: tga6822@... Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:11:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:11:40 GMT Tom Anthony http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1188 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1188 No closeby but one in michigan, go to craiglist for michigan, then city and use muskegon, of course go to boats and then in search colum type sailboat, it will Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:07:16 GMT timmie993 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1187 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1187 Hi, I've been looking for a Holder 20 to buy. I'm in he SF Bay Area but would be willing to travel for the right boat. If you have or know of one for sale Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:56:04 GMT MICHAEL JABLONSKI http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1186 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1186 Doug:  In what kind of wind and sea conditions did you capsize the Holder?  I sailed and raced my Holder for three seasons in wind conditions of over 20 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:45:22 GMT Chris Winnard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1185 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1185 I got rid of all the styrofoam and added float bags from APS. Tubes in the forepeak and under the cockpit, and a bow and stern bag. I would also recommend Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:20:27 GMT Doug Archbald http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1184 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1184 Tom, that is pretty impressive! As one who owned a Holder for just 3 years, I capsized it a half dozen times, including upwind capsizes from failure to blow Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:17:40 GMT Tom Jones http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1183 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1183 For what it's worth, my Holder (#106) is like it was 25 yrs ago when I bought it. Sink maybe if the knotmeter transducer blew out. But I've never ever thought Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:43:23 GMT Mark & Tammy Milam http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1182 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1182 I would Put it back in. Mine has Styrofoam blocks cut into pieces so they fit in there. The hatch is screwed down with two wood screws....Better to have it Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:26:50 GMT bingo_ellie http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1181 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1181 My boat appears to have once had flotation in the bow (below the v-berth), but it's now gone. Any good reason not to restore it? I can't imagine wanting to Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:30:39 GMT John Duthie http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1180 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1180 No it doesn't have to be removed, first attach the bridal to the lifting point, use an old main sheet or heavy piece of line, run that line through the transom Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:44:38 GMT bingo_ellie http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1179 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1179 My newly acquired H20 has the brackets fastened to the aft side of the keel trunk described in other threads and I'd like to hoist the boat for bottom Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:10:54 GMT bingo_ellie http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1178 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1178 On my boat, the bow compartment is empty (it looks like there was flotation at one time), but the seal between the liner and the hull looks effective at the Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:16:28 GMT Randy Carman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1177 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOLDER20CLASS/message/1177 I had water(spilled drinks) in mine some yrs back(1983 hull). But it wasn't really in the bilge - just in the area between the rear bunks which is actually