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    <title>ISO8601 at Yahoo! Groups</title>
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    <description>To bring the International Date and Time Format to the attention of the Internet world and beyond.</description>

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      <title>Re: UTC didn&#39;t exist before 1961</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:50:58 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Deckers, Michael</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2198</link>
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      <description>... That&#39;s fine if your application imposes such restrictions, but it is not what ISO 8601 requires. ISO 8601 fixes some notations but it does not constrain</description>
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      <title>Re: UTC didn&#39;t exist before 1961</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:57:31 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>piebaldconsult</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2197</link>
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      <description>... Personally, I think that would be fairly silly.</description>
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      <title>Re: Ten Years On...</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 01:13:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Tex Texin</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2196</link>
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      <description>Reading through that thread, after the first few lines, I am not sure it is what I would call healthy debate. But it is nice that yyyymmdd is becoming more</description>
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      <title>Ten Years On...</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 22:50:40 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>g1smd_amsat_org</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2195</link>
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      <description>[2009-May-30] Ten years on, and some communities are still having healthy debate... </description>
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      <title>Re: UTC didn&#39;t exist before 1961</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 17:33:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>G Ashton</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2194</link>
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      <description>When I mentioned in an earlier post that I would reject certain date-times in the ISO 8601 format, I meant that I would halt processing or flag them for</description>
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      <title>Re: UTC didn&#39;t exist before 1961</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 12:56:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>John Steele</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2193</link>
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      <description>Tex,   I agree with the dilemma you pose.  In reality, that means date alone often does not suffice and you must consider time of day as well.   However, in</description>
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      <title>Re: UTC didn&#39;t exist before 1961</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 11:54:18 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Tex Texin</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2192</link>
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      <description>John Good comments. I am surprised by your comment on dates. Dates definitely do have time zones. Since time zones span 25 hours, without mention of the zone, </description>
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      <title>Re: UTC didn&#39;t exist before 1961</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 11:39:47 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>johnmsteele</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2191</link>
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      <description>I agree with Tex&#39;s remarks.  But I would add the following three points: *Dates don&#39;t have time zones.  Only times or &quot;date and time&quot; representations have time</description>
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      <title>Re: UTC didn&#39;t exist before 1961</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 09:46:31 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Tex Texin</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2190</link>
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      <description>Hi, You are welcome to do whatever you want of course, but I don?t think this is what was suggested or recommended and I don?t think you should in any way </description>
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      <title>Re: UTC didn&#39;t exist before 1961</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 09:21:06 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>pqrc96</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2189</link>
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      <description>I started this thread. After seeing the responses, I don&#39;t really see anything that would change my ideas, but knowing that my thoughts have been reviewed by</description>
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      <title>to bam</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:26:18 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Tex Texin</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2188</link>
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      <description>Your first mail may have bounced, it looks like the from address was messed up. However, your subsequent mails seemd to be forwards of the bounced mail and </description>
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      <title>Returned mail: User unknown</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 03:19:24 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>bam@...</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2183</link>
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      <description>The original message was received at 2009-05-26 23:15:29 -0400 from postoffice.local [10.0.0.1] ... &lt;bam@... Below is a copy of another message that</description>
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      <title>Re: UTC didn&#39;t exist before 1961</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 23:35:58 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>nguyenivy@...</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2182</link>
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      <description>I was thinking of historical examples like the offset The Netherlands used sometime in the last 100 years that had an offset precise to the centisecond.</description>
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      <title>Re: UTC didn&#39;t exist before 1961</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 14:09:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>piebaldconsult</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2181</link>
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      <description>... Yes, but seconds generally aren&#39;t important in day-to-day events anyway. If you&#39;re going to try to calculate an offset to great precision you may need to</description>
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      <title>Re: UTC didn&#39;t exist before 1961</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>piebaldconsult</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ISO8601/message/2180</link>
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      <description>... True, so we may never know the offset, but that doesn&#39;t interfere with using ISO 8601. You can simply indicate &quot;local time&quot; by not specifying the offset.</description>
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