http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/ Jade Pagoda - Doctor Who book discussion Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:31:57 GMT James Commins http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100617 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100617 ... What if it was the gun? What if Wilf had pulled the trigger? Chekov juju. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:14:09 GMT Alun, Steffan http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100616 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100616 ... Nah, I've just read the Wikipedia articles on the episodes. I've probably seen both those episodes combined about five times. ... Yup, fair point, good Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:46:41 GMT Steven Kitson http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100615 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100615 ... Oh yes, I knew that one, though I'd forgotten it. But... ... It does fairly often: Series one foreshadowed the final battle of the Time War ('final', yeah Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:40:18 GMT Alun, Steffan http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100614 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100614 ... Oh, alright, prepare to be bored anew, then. Torchwood is mentioned in Series One's Bad Wolf and The Christmas Invasion, Saxon has a newspaper headline in Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:31:59 GMT Steven Kitson http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100613 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100613 ... Those aren't cross-series, though, because 'torchwood' series one was being made at the same time as the 'Saxon' series of 'Doctor Who', and likewise that Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:18:52 GMT Alun, Steffan http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100612 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100612 ... Oh, alright. There are "Vote Saxon" posters in Captain Jack Harkness and the Immortality Gate is mentioned in The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith. See? Not Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:12:56 GMT Steven Kitson http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100611 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100611 ... You must be the first person ever in the world to do so. What were they, they? Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:10:20 GMT Alun, Steffan http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100610 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100610 ... Yes, that would be why I agreed with you. When I said "they're not worth mentioning", I meant "I'm not going to mention them" - that's why I went on to Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:07:12 GMT Steven Kitson http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100609 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100609 ... That's not foreshadowing, though, it's a callback. And yes he does do callbacks to earlier series. ... Does 'The Poison Sky' need explaining? Well, apart Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:01:54 GMT Alun, Steffan http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100608 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100608 ... Answer - probably some of it. He knew before Voyage of the damned - and probably before Doomsday - that a cloned Doctor would be grown for Rose, Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:00:56 GMT Alun, Steffan http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100607 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100607 ... Okay, the Doctor is undersexed in the original show too. Can I go now? Steffan ****************************************************************** This Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:59:42 GMT Alun, Steffan http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100606 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100606 ... There are examples, but as you guessed, they're not worth mentioning. Links between series are made very explicit - Cyberwoman explains important elements Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:59:38 GMT Steven Kitson http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100605 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100605 ... Oh, I've realised the one example of it myself: the Doctor's hand, which is introduced in series 2 (well, 2.X), and then used in series three to get Jack Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:57:01 GMT Steven Kitson http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100604 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100604 ... But as he goes on to make a wider point about the Doctor's attitude to romance, it's worth pointing out that other characters in the original series do Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:53:22 GMT Steven Kitson http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100603 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Jade_Pagoda/message/100603 ... But wasn't the 'something in the dark' in 'Torchwood' series one the badly-CGI-ed demon, and in 'Doctor Who' series four Davros and the Dalek Emperor? One