http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/ Klingon Language Discussions Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:25:12 GMT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1490 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1490 Greetings, The following is a monthly reminder of the etiquette for this Klingon mailing list. Since this list is owned and maintained by the Klingon Imperial Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:33:27 GMT Steven Boozer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1489 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1489 "Completed" is the key word. Be careful: Just because an action is over (i.e. no longer happening) does not mean that the action was completed. In languages Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:00:34 GMT Seruq http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1488 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1488 Aspect suffixes show whether the act is ongoing or completed RELATIVE to the moment of time referenced. vIHoH - I killed him, I kill, I will kill him. vIHoHpu' Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:01:57 GMT Philip Newton http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1487 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1487 ... I think that "perfect" is better; the two are different (compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_aspect and Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:08:14 GMT Philip Newton http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1486 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1486 ... Correct me if I'm wrong, but this could also mean: "They will have killed him/her", right? Since -pu' and -ta' only encode aspect, not tense. (Similarly Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:08:02 GMT Captain Vex http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1485 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1485 Ok, then... What exactly does the word "perfective" mean? I see it a lot in reference to {-pu'}, but I've never been quite clear on its meaning. Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:29:28 GMT Steven Boozer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1484 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1484 The short answer is that you don't; Klingon doesn't have a simple past, present or future tense. Time is established by the use of a time stamp at the Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:29:17 GMT Alan Anderson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1483 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1483 On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Captain Vex ... {vIHoH} "I killed him." (Or "I kill him," or "I will kill him.") {mulobQo'} "He refused to obey me." (Or "He Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:08:57 GMT Captain Vex http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1482 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1482 Okay, I have a question, then. How would I say simply, "I killed him.", or "He defied me.", or "He dishonored me!"? In other words, how then do I do simple Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:08:48 GMT Alan Anderson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1481 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1481 ... That's exactly how I would translate it. ... I don't see any implication of an ongoing action coming to a halt in the Klingon {vIbompu'}. If you really Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:28:18 GMT woulph Woulph http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1480 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1480 Hello, Would the following translations for sentences using -ta' and pu' also be concidered acceptable: puqoypu'wI'vaD najmoHwI'mey vIbompu'. I have sung Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:18:18 GMT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1479 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1479 Greetings, The following is a monthly reminder of the etiquette for this Klingon mailing list. Since this list is owned and maintained by the Klingon Imperial Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:16:00 GMT Philip Newton http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1478 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1478 On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 04:23, Vuy'achaghe EniiQi SotlhwuybaD ... No. Earlier, -pu' was a simple past tense marker in Klingon, but the way the language is Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:15:55 GMT Steven Boozer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1477 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1477 {ghel} "ask (a question)" is included in "Klingon for the Galactic Traveler" (KGT), which collects most of the vocabulary revealed after "The Klingon Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:40:25 GMT Vuy'achaghe EniiQi SotlhwuybaD http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1476 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klingon_Language/message/1476 Okay, I have another question. I use the verb suffix -ta' as has/have done, etc., whereas -pu' I use for "was" or "did". Am I correct in my usage?