http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/ LeftLibertarians Unbound! Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:33:53 GMT Dan Clore http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31686 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31686 News & Views for Anarchists & Activists: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo [Great interview with Kevin Carson, one of the top libertarian thinkers active Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:24:40 GMT jeo1@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31685 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31685 Knock it off with the dumb, off topic, copycat insults, which are in fact outbursts. It's getting tiresome. Your admitted goal of driving me off list is not Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:20:25 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31684 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31684 Jim strikes me as a sort of blackbox where you can put something in and something seemingly unrelated comes out. Of course, the range of things coming out Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:12:48 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31683 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31683 Methinks that Michael might argue next that a draft is not slavery, since draftees are given stuff -- clothes, food, pay -- as a sort of compensation. I also Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:24:21 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31682 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31682 Which is why I wrote, in the part that you cut, "If a particular person or group gets a higher renumeration and this causes a decline in the renumeration of Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:04:25 GMT Kevin Carson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31681 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31681 ... Well, any changes in price that result from bargaining power will be a shift of income from groups with less to groups with more bargaining power, rather Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:53:46 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31680 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31680 That's Hutt, who was no libertarian. To be sure, the sympathetic reviewer does finally admit that '"antistrike" laws would be contrary to the tenets of the Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:49:33 GMT jeo1@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31679 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31679 Agreed. How would society or the state enforce a no strike, or no boycott law? Sounds pretty damn coercive. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:48:46 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31678 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31678 The only problem I'd have with strike-threats is the use of coercion to get others to go along with it in some fashion. But that would apply to any person or Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:46:38 GMT Michael Erwin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31677 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31677 Gaah! The guy holds that "To forbid strikes and boycotts would not be to restrain any basic human right." Saying NO and refusing orders is not aggression. To Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:33:30 GMT Kevin Carson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31676 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31676 ... I recall an argument by Brad Spangler in the comment thread to a similar piece at Mises, arguing that the threat of strike was part of the price discovery Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:27:39 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31675 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31675 I think this is already well known and libertarians here have offered alternatives, though always with a more or less clear notion that free individuals need Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:19:29 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31674 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31674 Local wireless networks do not require big corporate providers. You just need a wireless router others can connect to. Yes, there's still the problem of how to Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:11:00 GMT Dan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31673 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31673 I don't doubt that some of Michael's comments here are correct. Like Kevin, I'm not in principle against voting -- though as a defensive strategy and not as Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:27:21 GMT Michael Bindner http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31672 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeftLibertarian2/message/31672 Kevin,   Thanks for the contribution, which triggered a thought.   Stigmatizing government is not enough.  One must also, pretty much simultaneously, offer