http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/ Myopiafree2 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:09:02 GMT Otis http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3786 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3786 Subject: Here is the rationale. Judy is not correct. The minus has been used for the last 400 years -- since it was used by Johann Kepler to clear his vision Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:19:22 GMT otisbrown17268 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3785 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3785 Dear Judy, Subject: Dealing with people who are "evasive" and wish (exclusively) to perpetuate the status quo. I will post this here -- for response later. Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:45:01 GMT Otis http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3784 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3784 Subject: Where Dr. Bates was correct. But, as the years go by, it would be wise to include the use of the preventive plus, in this process. Which is wear both Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:54:21 GMT Otis http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3783 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3783 Subject: Layman question. Layman: Tell us, line by line of the snellen, what each line represents as a pair of glasses. The top line equals . the ninth line = Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:31:10 GMT Otis http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3782 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3782 ... Subject: It is just not that difficult. In the final analysis, I can do a more accurate job with my own trial lens kit. Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:17:15 GMT Otis http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3777 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3777 Why I support second-opinion PREVENTION, with prevention to START before any minus lens is applied. Dr. Bates described this "threshold" situation as Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:58:30 GMT drjudy65 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3776 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3776 ... He passed away in 2003. http://www.indiana.edu/~bfc/docs/circulars/05-06/B7-2006.pdf Likely he would have been interested, as am I, in seeing the published Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:32:13 GMT Otis http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3775 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3775 Dear Engineer/Scientists Subject: Changing the refractive STATE of the eye by +1.5 diopters. Alex had made an excellent statement. Do you think Merrill would Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:45:43 GMT Otis http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3773 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3773 Subject: There are to many people who put "words" in Dr. Bates mouth, and the condemn him for what he never said or believed. Here is the review of what Dr. Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:09:26 GMT drjudy65 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3769 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3769 ... But it has been proven otherwise. In studies that I have provided to Otis human eyes have not acted like monkey eyes. In fact, not even all species of Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:56:34 GMT Alex Eulenberg http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3768 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3768 ... By "fundamental eye" Otis means "a healthy eye of any vertebrate." Otis takes the scientist's position that any effect observed in a population of healthy Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:54:26 GMT Otis http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3767 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3767 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrzjPQVHIaA Enjoy, Otis Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:57:19 GMT drjudy65 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3765 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3765 ... Yes I have said that a minus lens, prescribed to correct existing myopia in humans will not have an effect on refractive error. That limited statement is Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:52:52 GMT Alex Eulenberg http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3764 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3764 ... Judy, you have expressed the opinion many times that a minus lens will not alter the refractive state of a child in any way, by reference to experiments Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:52:30 GMT Otis http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3763 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Myopiafree2/message/3763 Dear Judy, I have told you many times that you do not respect the SECOND-OPINON. Are you clear on that point? Prevention best, Otis