Nostratic-L at Yahoo! Groups

Re: Basque nasals (was: azeri 'fox')

johnvertical@... — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:45:28 GMT

... The first sounds good. I'm not sure I like **kwene (why a voiceless initial?); analogy with _ama_ might be a lighter assumption. At any rate, this doesn't

Re: Basque nasals (was: azeri 'fox')

Tavi — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:11:57 GMT

... AFTER a ... 'child, ... zumar ... The cases where no /u/ is involved could be explained by the influence of a disappeared labial: **mama > *aNa > ama

Re: Basque nasals (was: azeri 'fox')

Tavi — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:49:22 GMT

... On this subject I disagree with ortodox Vascology. Depending on the context, PBasq. *-N- can behave either as an alveolar [-nn-], giving -n-, or else as a

Re: Basque azeri 'fox'

Tavi — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:56:52 GMT

... I think I've got the right to criticize Bengtson precisely because his "system" is well described and he's the only person who has taken up the subject up

Re: Basque azeri 'fox'

Rick McCallister — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:40:06 GMT

... From: Tavi Subject: [Nostratic-L] Re: Basque azeri 'fox' To: Nostratic-L@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 7:13 AM

Re: Basque nasals (was: azeri 'fox')

Petr Hrubis — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:24:53 GMT

2009/11/29 ... I agree. Influenced by what I've read in Trask, I've thought your *-N- is actually [-nn-], Tavi. Can you please

Re: Basque azeri 'fox'

Petr Hrubis — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:16:48 GMT

2009/11/29 Tavi ... Stop playing cat and mouse with me. This isn't the same case and you know that. When I spoke about the "whole

Re: Basque nasals (was: azeri 'fox')

johnvertical@... — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:34:34 GMT

... Why "wrongly"? I can think of a lot more languages that contrast gemination in nasals than languages that contrast lenis/fortis in nasals. John Vertical

Re: Basque azeri 'fox'

Tavi — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:13:46 GMT

... in ... /-l-/. WRONG. Latin -l- > Portuguese 0 but PBasq. *-l- > Basque -r- ... has either a Celtic or Ligurian substrate, not a Basque substrate --and from

Re: Basque azeri 'fox'

Tavi — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:58:54 GMT

... *N ... loanwords, as ... mislead ... in ... You're incredible, Mr Hubris. First you're insisting on my telling you "the whole picture" and then, when I

Re: Basque azeri 'fox'

Petr Hrubis — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:54:20 GMT

2009/11/28 Tavi ... ...but what on earth is the relevance of that??? Lenis /-n-/ disappears, leaving behind nasalized vowels in Roncalese

Re: Basque azeri 'fox'

Rick McCallister — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:43:40 GMT

... From: Tavi Subject: [Nostratic-L] Re: Basque azeri 'fox' To: Nostratic-L@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 5:38 PM

Re: Basque azeri 'fox'

Tavi — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:39:47 GMT

... But there's more to explain about the subject! According to Mitxelena, Proto-Basque had two nasal phonemes: fortis *N and lenis *n. Latin -nn- was

Re: Basque azeri 'fox'

Petr Hrubis — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:06:53 GMT

2009/11/28 Tavi ... You don't have to answer as I didn't ask you a question. I just wrote that you had failed to mention the nasality

Basque azeri 'fox'

Tavi — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:04:36 GMT

... Latin ... _Basque_ surname 'Fox', namely 1167, 1072, and the patronymic 1053. As already noted, the /g/ in