http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/ Relational Frame Theory Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:47:20 GMT Andreas Larsson http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2435 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2435 Deictics is the name we've given the through MET aquired ability to notice these perspectives. I don't think there can be a sense of transcendent self or even Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:25:42 GMT Roger Vilardaga http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2434 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2434 It’s exciting what you describe about Darin’s data and what he’s found about the order of acquisition of the different relational repertoires. Do you Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:02:00 GMT Daniel J. Moran, Ph.D. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2433 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2433 Just musing on the railroad into NYC for abct: what natural everyday regular old events would evoke the repertoire of contacting the SaC? I imagine this is Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:41:42 GMT joseph_ciarrochi http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2432 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2432 Thanks, J.t. Is it correct to say deictic framing is fairly sophisticated and many folks can not do it with proficiency (As Darin C suggested)? If so, then Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:27:54 GMT J. T. Blackledge http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2431 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2431 Hi Joseph— Cool thoughts. I think by definition, self as context explicitly involves deictic framing—i.e., when you ‘adapt a sense of self as Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:27:05 GMT joseph_ciarrochi http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2430 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2430 Hi Roger et al, Darin Cairns is collecting a mass of data with autistic kids on when different frames appear. This data won't tell us the age that different Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:25:35 GMT Roger Vilardaga http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2429 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2429 Hi again – Louise came to the rescue. This is what she replied to me: Roger, I would be very surprised if an 18 month old was doing any deictic framing. In Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:42:14 GMT Roger Vilardaga http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2428 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2428 Hi Rainer - I'm really curious to hear about Tim's, Louise's, Darin, Nick Berens', or other's take on this issue, since I'm sure they have a clearer Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:25:39 GMT mluciano@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2427 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2427 In regard the connection ACT-RFT that Miguel Caio was asking, here are some more published experimental papers with ACT-RFT connections (one is attached). Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:08:16 GMT raisonn@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2426 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2426 Hi Roger, you are right. Other forms of relational framing may be involved. And I thought that a conceptualization mainly in terms of coordination framing Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:17:55 GMT Roger Vilardaga http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2425 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2425 Hi Rainer – You say “by a DOMINATION of framing coordinately”, and I take your choice of words to mean that you are aware that other forms of relational Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:57:44 GMT Roger Vilardaga http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2424 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2424 Hi Joseph - this is an interesting articles by de Waal that provides an answer to your question from a different tradition. Sorry for the highlighting and the Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:00:10 GMT William Kordonski http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2423 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2423 I guess I should have been more clear. I did not see my grandchild's response as deictic framing but deictic framing as a skill that is as yet to be learned by Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:11:33 GMT Tony Biglan http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2422 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2422 Has Vilardga published on this? If so I would like to see the paper. From: RFT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RFT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Hayes Sent: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:39:00 GMT Steven Hayes http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2421 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RFT/message/2421 you could probably get it that way as well re Bill's first message I think you can have empathy without deictics of a sort but with deictics it can increase a