http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/ Range Voting Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:11:27 GMT Joyce McCloy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11462 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11462 If the method improved elections, I would argue that cost doesn't matter. Time to shoot down another talking point on IRV, the misleading claim that it saves Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:11:47 GMT brokenladdercalendar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11461 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11461 As I predicted, Constantine won. Results: 1. Constantine 1167 - --[ Cut Off ] -- 2. Umbria 941 3. Orville 792 4. Rugosa 740 5. Chilon Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:52:03 GMT Dale Sheldon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11460 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11460 ... And the page on Arrow's Theorem says that range voting advocates think violating "unrestricted domain" is the best way around the paradox, and that Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:25:37 GMT brokenladdercalendar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11459 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11459 ... well, did you? if so, what were the results? Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:21:47 GMT Joyce McCloy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11458 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11458 Either Roberts Rules endorses IRV or it doesnt. There is a wikipedia article entitled Instant Runoff Voting. Somehow Fair Vote manages to keep putting Roberts Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:04:16 GMT Joyce McCloy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11457 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11457 Do the problems with IRV impact how well other alternative election methods will be received? Will communities trust other alternative election methods after Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:42:32 GMT warren_d_smith31 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11456 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11456 ... Here's a voting method perfect with respect to that if voters honest: 1. Each voter as her vote gives the distance to each candidate. (Or she could provide Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:20:18 GMT dylanhs http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11455 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11455 ... Using a system like Scantegrity (http://www.scantegrity.org/) would allow for detecting this. Scantegrity is fully compatible with Range Voting, Approval Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:06:40 GMT Jameson Quinn http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11454 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11454 ... Euclidean distance will give you very very few Condorcet ties. Max norm or sum norm (city-block) distance will give you more ties, which is more Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:56:32 GMT dodecatheon.meadia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11453 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11453 I'm trying to design a Monte Carlo simulation to test how close various single winner methods come to electing the candidate closest to the centroid of the Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:48:41 GMT warren_d_smith31 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11452 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11452 - ... --This is utter bullshit. "Four in a hundred" means 96% confidence of "fraud." BUT, they got to choose the two magic digits "5" and "7." There were Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:14:32 GMT Dale Sheldon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11451 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11451 ... All columns; I'm talking about the ammount of information that you need to send to a central location in order for them to be able to do the entire IRV Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:51:07 GMT Chris Telesca http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11450 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11450 Dale: When you refer to "precinct subtotals" - are you referring to 1st column votes on a ballot, or the precinct marking of all the columns on individual Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:00:21 GMT brokenladdercalendar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11449 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11449 I don't think officials would ever be savvy enough to advocate using dice. They would just completely forget that "oh, last time we did this, it was discovered Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:52:58 GMT Dale Sheldon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11448 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/message/11448 ... This may be a pedantic point, but it's not ranked choice that's the problem, it's non-additivity. Its quite simple, for instance, to communicate precinct