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Re: The Million $ question about SF IRV rank 3 lawsuit

Jameson Quinn — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:17:35 GMT

2010/2/9 WarrenS ... I just want to point out that allowing equal ranking would allow the same 3-rank ballots to be used for any number

Re: The Million $ question about SF IRV rank 3 lawsuit

jimrtex4192 — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:23:11 GMT

... If you look at the voter pamphlet for the March 2002 election, it is pretty clear that it was the intent to use 3 ranks all along. They had an existing

SF Voting Systems Task Force - Feb 17 - Public Comments

Joyce McCloy — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:06:59 GMT

OK Guys, this is very timely. I only found out about this today. Please read! Recommendations for new voting system requirements at bottom! SF just spent

Re: The Million $ question about SF IRV rank 3 lawsuit

Dave Ketchum — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:55:46 GMT

Joyce seems to have studied the issues enough to make sense. ... Why want to "rank all"? When does anyone, sober, find another to vote for after getting close

Re: Still more on San Fran anti-IRV lawsuit

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:06:34 GMT

... Yes. Jew, however, got anomalously low transfers from the eliminated candidates. The normal nonpartisan pattern is that the transfers would be in roughly

Re: The Million $ question about SF IRV rank 3 lawsuit

WarrenS — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:11:27 GMT

... --well, it's incompetence from the morons at ES&S etc. The memory requirements are trivial. The cutoff at 3 is ludicrous. It is because they are idiots

Re: The Million $ question about SF IRV rank 3 lawsuit

Joyce McCloy — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:48:20 GMT

Warren, existing optical scan computers in the US cannot handle more than 3 rankings. I just spoke with a guy in Pierce County Washington, and voters there

Re: The Million $ question about SF IRV rank 3 lawsuit

WarrenS — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:55:53 GMT

... --Australia & Ireland hand-counted their rank-order ballots for at least 50 years, maybe still. Can any voting machine in the US accept more than 3

Re: The Million $ question about SF IRV rank 3 lawsuit

WarrenS — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:43:12 GMT

... --further, computers can handle arbitrary numbers of rankings, albeit there would be more labor and more chance of errors involved. --so therefore, seems

Re: The Million $ question about SF IRV rank 3 lawsuit

Joyce McCloy — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:40:50 GMT

Warren, that makes me realize I will have to add clarifications to that post. San Francisco's voting machines can not accommodate more than 3 rankings. The

Re: The Million $ question about SF IRV rank 3 lawsuit

WarrenS — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:12:08 GMT

... --Not really. Look, if there are 22 candidates, the ballot has to LIST all 22, hence has to be long. Given that it is that long, there is enough space

Re: Van Deemen's bad examples for list-PR

Bruce R.Gilson — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:41:38 GMT

... Actually there is no paradox. If you look at the list PS system in The Netherlands (or any other place I know of using List PR), you are only accounting

The Million $ question about SF IRV rank 3 lawsuit

Joyce McCloy — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:12:38 GMT

I agree with the idea that lawsuits are not always the best way to solve these types of issues. But what a lawsuit can do is educate the public and officials

Re: Still more on San Fran anti-IRV lawsuit

jimrtex4192 — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:06:38 GMT

... Part of Jew's campaign was to urge voters to "vote for three Asian candidates", (ie Jew, Mak, and Chan, with Zheng too much of an also ran to matter). The

Re: San Fran: movement to elect via district and city-wide/Milk ref

jimrtex4192 — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:29:25 GMT

... Harvey Milk had run unsuccessfully for supervisor under the old at-large system. He probably would never have been elected except for district elections.