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    <title>RefrigeratorAlternatives at Yahoo! Groups</title>
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      <title>Re: Ice in a can</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:27:31 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>LarenCorie</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3672</link>
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      <description>From: &quot;John W&quot; &lt;todotoo@...&gt; ... Hi John; It seems unnecessarily labor intensive to expend all that effort freezing water outside, cutting in out</description>
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      <title>Re: No permission for files</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:27:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>LarenCorie</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3671</link>
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      <description>From: &quot;John W&quot; &lt;todotoo@...&gt; ... Hello John; There is no limit on your ability to upload files. Perhaps is was just another of the regular yahoo burps...</description>
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      <title>No permission for files</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:16:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3670</link>
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      <description>Tried to upload the file but couldn&#39;t.  I can send it to the moderator if you want and you can upload it.  I think this is a valuable resource. John Weber </description>
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      <title>Ice in a can</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:09:46 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3669</link>
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      <description>Go to this URL - http://iceharvestingusa.com/iceharvestingusa.html On page 5 is a description on how to save ice.  It looks like a fairly simple production</description>
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      <title>Re: storing &quot;cold&quot;</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:50:55 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Stone Tool</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3668</link>
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      <description>Laren: While the cheap blue ice that is sold in Walmart for general consumer use is no doubt little more than salt and water, there are other fluids which are</description>
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      <title>Re: storing &quot;cold&quot; blue ice</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:13:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>BILL THOMAS</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3667</link>
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      <description> &quot;&quot;&quot;There has been very little talk of using &quot;engineered &quot;change of state&quot;  fluids&quot; (blue ice) as a way of storing energy. &quot;&quot;&quot; ... Does it really do that? </description>
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      <title>Re: storing &quot;cold&quot;</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:11:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>LarenCorie</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3666</link>
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      <description>From: &quot;Stone Tool&quot; &lt;owly@...&gt; ... Hello Howard; Thermal storage is easy.... And far more efficient than batteries, not only in the fact that it returns</description>
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      <title>Re: storing &quot;cold&quot;</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:24:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Kirk McLoren</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3665</link>
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      <description>Superinsulation is key to the process. Much cheaper and more stable than batteries and cheaper over time than generating power Kirk ... From: Stone Tool</description>
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      <title>storing &quot;cold&quot;</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:48:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Stone Tool</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3664</link>
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      <description>In an off grid situation energy storage is the critical piece of the puzzle.   The usual line of thinking is to store electricity to operate a refrigerator of</description>
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      <title>Re: root cellar and ice house</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:51:13 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Robin Works</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3663</link>
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      <description>What a neat story! Are you familiar with Sharon Astyk&#39;s writings and blog? She&#39;s with you on the transitional technologies and human power stuff. </description>
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      <title>root cellar and ice house</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:40 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>todotoo</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3662</link>
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      <description>This is my first post so a little history. In 1968, after finishing a degree in Anthropology, while fishing on a causeway in Biscayne Bay looking at the Miami</description>
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      <title>Re: Solar ice maker question</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:20:15 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>s1r9a9m9</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3661</link>
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      <description>You might try this site and see what you think. They have been around for a long time and seem easy to build. </description>
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      <title>Re: Solar ice maker question</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:59:15 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Rogerio Oliveira</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3660</link>
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      <description>If you have such a doubt, believe me, better don&#39;t try to make your own ice maker.Ammonia will be in the liquid and in the gas phase inside the system. In any</description>
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      <title>Solar ice maker question</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:20:43 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Andy D</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3659</link>
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      <description>Hi everybody, Quick and probably dumb question, for the ammonia solar icemaker, can you use liquid ammonia (pure I realize) or does it have to be a gas to</description>
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      <title>Re: Utilizing ambient temps</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:25:50 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>LarenCorie</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RefrigeratorAlternatives/message/3658</link>
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      <description>From: &lt;randome@...&gt; ... Hi Doug; Such an elaborate system is totally unnecessary.  Air will do the same thing.  Read the first post in</description>
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