http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/ Root Cause : State-of-the-Practice Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:13:12 GMT bruce.hart@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6766 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6766 I want to thank ya'll for keeping this so simple and cost cutting. You are now enabling us to apply dozens, if not hundreds, of additional personnel to these Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:57:10 GMT DR WILLIAM CORCORAN http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6765 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6765 Works for me.     Take care,   Bill Corcoran Mission: Saving lives, pain, assets, and careers through thoughtful inquiry. Motto: If you want safety, peace, Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:16:53 GMT Salot, William http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6764 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6764 Bill C, I would rather call it simply "investigation of ___". By "investigation", I mean "investigation" = evidence gathering + analysis + reporting. Bill Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:10:55 GMT DR WILLIAM CORCORAN http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6763 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6763 Bruce,   Well said.  Thanks and a BZ.   It seems to be difficult to say things in such a way that others understand us.   But it might be worth the effort. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:41:25 GMT B Hart http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6762 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6762 I believe that what is done is beyond being called an investigation. There is a lot of work done by the analyst(s) with what he/she/they find during Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:49:07 GMT Jack http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6761 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6761 Hi Bob Yes, when I took the Apollo Root Cause Analysis course a few years back, they said that it was really a problem solving course, but it was called RCA Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:58:57 GMT Bob Latino http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6760 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6760 Googling "event investigation".or "condition investigation" as opposed to "root cause analysis" will show the challenge ahead. Bob L. Sent by BlackBerry Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:20:49 GMT Dillard, Tedd A (E S SF RNA FS 11E) http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6759 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6759 Good point Bob! I was thinking the same thing awhile back as we started down this road of eliminating root cause. If you follow the logic of how we eliminate Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:15:53 GMT jack.stanford@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6758 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6758 Bob, I suppose that we can continue to use the term root-ician, but I really do believe that we need to avoid using the term Root Cause Analysis. Using that Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:51:00 GMT jack.stanford@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6757 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6757 Hello, Well, this is the other Jack and you all have been delivered the essence of the only RCA that I owned as a manager of two departments over six years. A Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:21:19 GMT Bob Latino http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6756 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6756 Does this mean we will have to refrain from using the term "root-ician" as well? Bob L. Sent by BlackBerry Wireless ________________________________ From: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:15:01 GMT jack.stanford@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6755 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6755 Dr. Bill, Good advice, but please do not forget that we are trying to stop saying and writing Root Cause. This is based on my assumption that we are moving Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:12:58 GMT DR WILLIAM CORCORAN http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6754 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6754 Steve and all,   The Rootician's Dictionary is at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/database   Try searching it on the Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:05:57 GMT DR WILLIAM CORCORAN http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6753 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6753 If you find the scenario post it at Case Materials for Training Examples you can use in class. Post your favorities.   OBTW: Feel free to download the case Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:02:15 GMT jack.stanford@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6752 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/6752 Dr. Bill, I am just fine with using the terms Condition Investigation or Event Investigation. Why don't you chose one and then we can all use it, assuming