http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/ Root Cause : State-of-the-Practice Thu, 23 May 2013 23:45:42 GMT Bruce http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11202 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11202 Bill, In the case of the Pu-238 hand-stick incident at SRS, management provided training to the operators marking large cans (gallon paint cans) using a Thu, 23 May 2013 19:22:54 GMT Salot, William http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11201 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11201 Bill C, A classic example is a bucket being filled with water. Failing to turn off the water allows the bucket to overflow. The inaction is an essential Thu, 23 May 2013 18:51:58 GMT Dr. Bill Corcoran http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11200 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11200 Is the story linked below an example of inaction as a causal factor (of a law suit)? If this is not an example, do you have a better one?   Take care,   Bill Wed, 22 May 2013 18:21:19 GMT DR WILLIAM CORCORAN http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11199 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11199 Dear Gammasync, The proposition was: ____________________________________________________ A root cause of a harmful result is a condition, behavior, action, or Wed, 22 May 2013 16:15:02 GMT gammasync http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11198 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11198 Your question misses the case where a desired force, which usually has a desired result, is the wrong thing in a particular context, leading to an undesired Wed, 22 May 2013 09:45:34 GMT DR WILLIAM CORCORAN http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11197 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11197 Good insight. I'll be watching the news for it.   Take care,   Bill Corcoran   William  R. Corcoran, Ph.D., P.E. Nuclear Safety Review Concepts Corporation Wed, 22 May 2013 00:53:11 GMT Bruce http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11196 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11196 Just curious. How can one "give up on RCA" in favor of this high level approach when item 2 of Step Two is "What are the causes of the problem." Step Two, Tue, 21 May 2013 23:05:55 GMT Noga, Scott T http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11195 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11195 Yes – insofar as it goes. But since the specifics are lacking it’s not a recipe for success. It’s like a list of ingredients with no instructions. You Tue, 21 May 2013 21:27:01 GMT Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11194 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11194 Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice group: A contributing factor of an harmful result is a condition, Tue, 21 May 2013 21:17:40 GMT DR WILLIAM CORCORAN http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11193 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11193 Scott, Thanks. Do you think that the Dewey box has some good lines of inquiry?   Take care,   Bill Corcoran   William  R. Corcoran, Ph.D., P.E. Nuclear Tue, 21 May 2013 17:38:49 GMT Noga, Scott T http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11192 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11192 It describes what to do, but not how to do it. The latter will determine the effectiveness. If their RCA's were not working for them, likely this won't Tue, 21 May 2013 17:24:36 GMT DR WILLIAM CORCORAN http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11191 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11191 Like most flavors-of-the-month, there is some value added. Apparently there is one of the high hazard industries that is giving up on RCA and rediscovering Tue, 21 May 2013 15:52:02 GMT Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11190 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11190 The following Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: A root cause of an harmful result is a harmful Tue, 21 May 2013 15:51:27 GMT Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11189 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11189 Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice group: A root cause of a harmful result is a condition, behavior, Tue, 21 May 2013 15:49:36 GMT Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11188 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice/message/11188 Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice group: Every cause of an harmful result is a condition, behavior,