http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/ A forum for rail modellers to discuss railway operations as well as industries and their operations. Sat, 25 May 2013 18:08:40 GMT dt sprau http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74667 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74667 ... Generally, a Form R (D-R) may not substitute for a proper Form H (D-H). ... Correct usage for form DH should be, when converting a piece of double track to Sat, 25 May 2013 17:38:52 GMT dt sprau http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74666 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74666 Question : Would it be ok to write the running order for Eng MM (East) but instruct the operator not to write a clearance for Eng MM until Extra NN West has Sat, 25 May 2013 17:08:49 GMT David Husman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74665 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74665 ... on the track that it is running on ... does it require any special 'permission' (orders and/or clearances)? I understand that such movements might require Sat, 25 May 2013 15:13:57 GMT Steve and Jennie Prevette http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74664 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74664 See the story of this collision: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Train_Wreck_of_1918 I think it is germaine to this discussion It involves orders to an Sat, 25 May 2013 15:11:19 GMT jimbetz http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74663 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74663 Hi, With respect to a the current thread relating to a junction and 251 territory ... 1) If a train is "running in reverse" ... but is still going in the Sat, 25 May 2013 14:58:11 GMT David Husman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74662 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74662 ... Back to the rule 251 current of traffic scenario. Form D-H and Form D-R. Do copies of either of those need to be delivered to opposing trains? I want to Sat, 25 May 2013 14:23:43 GMT Vic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74661 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74661 ... Not necessarily Dave. E.g, using the so-called "after arrival" Form G only needs to be addressed and delivered to the train originating. Using the Sat, 25 May 2013 13:50:24 GMT Vic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74660 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74660 ... Oh but Dave, the original msg txt said, in part: The locals do need to crossover to the "wrong main" in certain switching areas. In that case, they would Sat, 25 May 2013 12:30:56 GMT Andy Sperandeo http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74659 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74659 Hi Lou,  That is generally considered poor practice, if not definitely against the rules of some roads. It's better to use a right-over or wait order to hold Sat, 25 May 2013 05:25:27 GMT David Husman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74658 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74658 ... Every solution would have to be delivered to both trains. Dave H. Sat, 25 May 2013 03:48:03 GMT Ken Cameron http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74657 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74657 David, In using the right over, would it have to be addressed/delivered to the terminating extra?? -Ken Cameron Member JMRI Dev Team www.jmri.org Sat, 25 May 2013 03:38:38 GMT David Husman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74656 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74656 ... Another option. Dave H. Sat, 25 May 2013 00:48:09 GMT Barry Draper http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74655 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74655 Dave, Couldn't you also use: After Extra Terminating arrives T Eng originating run extra T to R Barry Draper (Meet orders may not be issued at the terminating Fri, 24 May 2013 23:32:58 GMT David Husman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74654 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74654 ... I would think that either version of a wait order would be more likely to result in a collision than a right over. Extra Terminating wait at V until 530pm Fri, 24 May 2013 23:24:34 GMT David Husman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74653 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/74653 ... That is correct the order is improper. Use a Right over Form S-C. Extra Terminating has right over Extra originating R to T. Dave H.