http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/ Standard Cirrus Sailplanes Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:42:53 GMT alastair_harrison http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3169 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3169 Hi Boris, Mine is another vote for not starting with the stick all the way forwards. I once had a particularly alarming winch launch where I began with full Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:42:39 GMT boris http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3168 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3168 Luke wrote "?I launch with about 3/4 forward trim and i do not usually need to put much forward pressure during the rotation?" It seems that most of you Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:03:47 GMT Paolo http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3167 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3167 I happened to experience the very same feeling (elevator stall) during aerotows, under the effect of some heavy turbulence. My Cirrus was lifted up by sudden Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:54:35 GMT Jan Lyczywek http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3166 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3166 Boris, From my experience I don't have the impression that the Standard Cirrus is specifically tail-heavy during winch launches, even though our winch is very Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:15:49 GMT Roger Fowler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3165 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3165 I used to eat all the donuts available at work just to help my CG issue. 8-) rgf ... From: stoltz@... To: StandardCirrus@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:14:44 GMT Roger Fowler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3164 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3164 I'll see if I can find some time to get my Cirrus out for pictures in the next few days. I had sort of parked it for the winter......... rgf ... From: Wojtek Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:01:10 GMT stoltz@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3163 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3163 This pilot winch launches with a more forward CG, so I have a hard time relating, but I wanted to point out that control effectiveness increases with speed, so Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:38:18 GMT Wojtek Buczak http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3162 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3162 I share the same experiences. I've never done winch launching with my cirrus 75, but several times during aero tows, I needed to push the stick totally forward Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:36:54 GMT Luke O'Donnell http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3161 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3161 I have done about 50 odd winch launches with my cirrus. The winch has plenty of power for the single, so i'm airborne very quickly. There is defiantly a Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:20:04 GMT Roger Fowler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3160 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3160 I have not winch launched the Cirrus, but I have had aero tows where I lifted off in a two point attitude with full forward stick. And that is with the CG Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:01:25 GMT János Bauer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3159 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3159 Few years I also had similar problem. After seeing similar discussion I started to use central or close to central stick position. It worked for me, although I Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:02:56 GMT boris http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3157 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3157 Having been able to have done a few flights on my newly acquired std. cirrus I have a question which I hope can be answered. During the initial stages of the Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:23:40 GMT Jan Lyczywek http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3156 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3156 Ray, Thanks a lot for the photos! I think I will copy the sealing box for the C.G. hook, while a friend of mine might add the folding stab holders to his Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:42:57 GMT kodawolf555 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3155 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3155 I have just added lifting handle photo to Lucky Dog album. the handle is positioned so that the tailskid sits in the "U" shaped part, you then slide the other Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:51:23 GMT kodawolf555 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3154 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StandardCirrus/message/3154 Hi Bredan, Just added to the album N13D