http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/ Synoptic-L Fri, 17 May 2013 09:18:44 GMT Ronald Price http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4862 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4862 ... David, Perhaps a good place to start would be with the section headed "Occasional Lukan Originality" on the web page below. The section lists 18 places Thu, 16 May 2013 21:49:59 GMT David Inglis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4861 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4861 Back in 2008, in a response to 'The Case Against Q', Klinghardt (The Marcionite Gospel and the Synoptic Problem: A New Suggestion) suggested that the problem Thu, 16 May 2013 20:45:12 GMT Jgibson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4860 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4860 Some years ago I noted that in within Mk. 2:1-12 Mark has cast Jesus' offer to make something happen in such a way as to call to mind the similar offer on the Mon, 13 May 2013 08:20:41 GMT Ronald Price http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4859 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4859 ... David, For what it's worth, neither my page model for LukeEdn1 nor my page model for LukeEdn2 would work without the inclusion of these verses. (For the Sun, 12 May 2013 21:14:38 GMT David Inglis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4858 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4858 Can we deduce anything from the absence of patristic references to Lk 3:23-38 (at least, according to http://earlychristianwritings.com/e-catena/luke3.html )? Sun, 12 May 2013 20:29:37 GMT David Inglis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4857 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4857 Thanks Dennis, Jeffrey: In Ad. Haer (c. 180) Irenaeus gives us evidence of Lk 1:2. Origen is obviously later (e.g. Homilies on Luke c. 240 quotes Lk 1:1), so Sun, 12 May 2013 19:14:12 GMT Jgibson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4856 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4856 ... Origien Jeffrey ****** *Origenes* Theol., *Fragmenta in evangelium Joannis *(in catenis) (2042: 006) "/Origenes Werke, /vol. 4", Ed. Preuschen, E. Leipzig: Sun, 12 May 2013 18:49:41 GMT Dennis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4855 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4855 Maybe Irenaeus. http://earlychristianwritings.com/e-catena/luke1.html Dennis Dean Carpenter Dahlonega, Ga. So, perhaps a better question from me would have Sun, 12 May 2013 18:07:44 GMT David Inglis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4854 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4854 In response to my question: " Luke 1:1-4 is an obvious intro, so is there any other evidence to suggest that at some point Luke did not have these first 4 Sun, 12 May 2013 15:43:55 GMT David Mealand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4853 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4853 The varying figures for words (or verses) to be allocated to different Synoptic categories are not easy to resolve. Poirier (CBR 2008, 101ff) has a good Sun, 12 May 2013 02:41:43 GMT E Bruce Brooks http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4852 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4852 David Inglis asked, a propos quotations of Gospel beginnings in the Patristic literature, that for Luke lacking the prologue: " Luke 1:1-4 is an obvious intro, Sun, 12 May 2013 00:02:43 GMT David Inglis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4851 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4851 In Ad. Haer, Book III, Chapter 11, 8 (http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103311.htm ), Irenaeus is quoted as follows: And therefore the Gospels are in accord Sat, 11 May 2013 00:14:26 GMT David Inglis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4850 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4850 Rick, verses is just a (somewhat crude) measure of the size of the different ‘sections’ of the synoptics, that I can use to calculate the average number of Fri, 10 May 2013 22:57:06 GMT Rick Hubbard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4849 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4849 Just curious David, but what is it that "verses" relate to? Clauses (properly identified) seem to have more potential value. Just a thought.... Regards, Rick Fri, 10 May 2013 18:10:18 GMT David Inglis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4848 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Synoptic/message/4848 So far, such replies as I have seen (thank you) concentrate on word counts. These will, of course, vary depending on which variants are or are not counted, and