http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/ The Heathen in His Blindness Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:45:41 GMT vnr1995 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4944 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4944 Geetanjali, Many western economists agree that lack of information has caused financial wreck of late. However, they don't assume that western 'values' are the Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:53:15 GMT Balu http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4943 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4943 Dear Kannan, Thanks for elucidating what you think could be Arun's suggestion. I have only a short reply to make. If one wants to develop the story about Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:21:54 GMT kannan7s http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4942 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4942 Dear Balu, I'm reading this thread with interest. On 'engineering normative', I think Arun is saying that it is an example of a 'normative' that is not Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:52:57 GMT Balu http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4941 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4941 Dear Arun, 1. Of course, there are other normative statements besides ethical ones: even aesthetic statements are normative (when you judge something to be Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:01:35 GMT geetanjali2062 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4940 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4940 Dear Arun, On a more fundamental level there appears to be a problem with Ackoff's statement that corruption is a product of scarce resources. What does he Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:37:44 GMT Arun http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4939 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4939 In reply to the three comments so far: 1. I believe there are normative statements that are not moral/ethical. For instance, legally normative and engineering Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:20:30 GMT Balu http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4938 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4938 Dear Arun, Perhaps, it is of some use to mention why it appears to you (and, by judging what Ackoff says about the immorality not 'bothering' him when it is, Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:54:46 GMT Balu http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4937 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4937 Dear Arun, While translating Ackoff, you say that such a translation is "not a moral judgment now, but a statement about the state of the economy". But your Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:43:26 GMT vnr1995 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4936 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4936 ... The relation between flu and its symptoms can be sketched by etiology (causal chain involved). These symptoms can have other effects: for instance, cough Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:40:02 GMT Arun http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4935 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4935 In the context of this: http://sites.google.com/site/colonialconsciousness/balu%27sresponsesoncolonialexperience I came across Russell L. Ackoff's "Ackoff's Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:16:54 GMT Mayank Shekhar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4934 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4934 Indo-Israel relationship goes ways long back. In the war when US issued threat to send the 7th fleet, USSR, the trusted ally, also had stopped supplies. Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:22:10 GMT Sarvesh Tiwari http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4933 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4933 A regular reader of the list, but posting for the first time. In relation to the below entry, may I request list-mates' attention to Hindu Economics and Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:40:10 GMT kanaadaa http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4932 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4932 Koenraad, An interesting find. While I find these interfaith encounters cheesy at best, like the Hindu-Jewish one SS is in frenzy over, these are the outcome Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:24:18 GMT Koenraad http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4931 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4931 Dear listfolk, One of the most sensational papers at the American Academy of Religion conference in Montreal was Shana Sippy's on Hindu-Jewish religious Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:21:27 GMT Balu http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4930 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheHeathenInHisBlindness/message/4930 Dear Friends, I could not agree with Kanaadaa more, when he asks 'what analysis?'. I share too his characterization of the piece, except that I do not know of