http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/ The Sumner fnd fighting Hemangiosarcoma Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:10:52 GMT k9sandme http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11882 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11882 ... No, you are right, Marty. The first bleed Ranger had was mild - he didn't collapse - but I knew something was wrong. He was walking very slowly, seemingly Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:00:29 GMT ilene powell http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11881 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11881 same here Marty. when Mali's spleen ruptured, I could tell she was in pain and uncomfortable.when the lung mets grew and multiplied, she was clearly Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:59:11 GMT k9sandme http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11880 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11880 Laurie, Thanks for the tip about the Chinese herbs. His dose is 3/4 teaspoon and I didn't have a measuring spoon and was just "eyeballing" the dose in a Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:46:21 GMT k9sandme http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11879 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11879 ... This is so good to hear! Our only hope are the people who do research to help fight canine cancer. Rosanne and Ranger Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:39:53 GMT k9sandme http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11878 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11878 Oh C.C., I am so sorry. How heartbreaking for you. I am fearing the same fate. All three of my dogs are seniors and Raner had been the healthy one until HSA Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:15:34 GMT Marty Lawfer http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11877 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11877 While there may not be pain most of the time, I do believe they're in a great deal of discomfort when there's a bleed. Both times that Dylan collapsed (the Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:53:10 GMT LaurieM http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11876 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11876 Rosanne My Molly has a sensitive tummy and she threw up when she started her chinese herbs. We took her off them for a few days and then introduced them again Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:50:32 GMT Kerry Wilson http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11875 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11875 Just to echo Dave's comments, I have always thought and still do - despite losing my heart dog Joe to HSA - that the one blessing with HSA is that *typically* Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:33:59 GMT ilene powell http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11874 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11874 our Onc left practice to do research. always said he wanted a cure in his lifetime. hope so! Ilene and Forever My Mali (born 10/16/97; dx splenic HSA 12/24/04; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:57:19 GMT Marty Lawfer http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11873 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11873 Going through this changes a person, doesn't it? Some people make major life changes, like this Vet or Luke Robinson of Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:52:35 GMT Jennifer Lewis http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11872 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11872 Thanks, Ilene. Good points about the breeder with HSA still breeding.... I've since let it go.   And, thanks for the pre-treatment tips. Since the Cerenia Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:48:11 GMT Pat http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11871 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11871 A Veterinarian friend of mine just took a position in a Research facility that will be doing more reseach on HSA. I have invited her to join the list. I am Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:39:42 GMT Pat http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11870 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11870 Some breeders don't have the same personal relationship that we have with our dogs. Yes dogs with HSA will die sooner than they would have without it. Some Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:31:51 GMT ilene powell http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11869 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11869 Cerenia is used to control vomiting. I still believe in Reglan and Zofran to prevent the possible nausea before it turns into vomiting. Ilene and Forever My Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:29:42 GMT ilene powell http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11868 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSumnerFoundation/message/11868 Jenn, just let it go. who knows what this breeder has seen to make such a comment. we all do the best we can with what we know at the time. move on and