WSM_Forum at Yahoo! Groups

Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

tha_hizouse — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:37:42 GMT

... OK. There are two ideas involved - Ideology and 'false consciousness'. All you need to do to understand this discussion is how they're both deployed:

Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

Richard — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:15:20 GMT

If that is so, Marcos, it is not at all clear. Lew has made the clearest statement so far and he says something somewhat different which I am still struggling

Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

Marcos — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:06:53 GMT

That is what we have said before 2009/11/20 Richard ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

Richard — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:02:17 GMT

OK it baffled me too, so I did some reading around and discovered a huge semantic puddle of ..... When you remove all the spooky verbiage, the question being

Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

Marcos — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:01:09 GMT

A member of the forum asked a question, and the question was answered in different ways, in the same manner that anybody on the street, or on a literature

Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

Robert — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:26:35 GMT

... I, for one, am baffled by this thread, but guess I'm not smart enough to 'get it'. Probably a good thing, ;). z3

Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

Citizens of the World — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:00:24 GMT

... I think it is about "baffling them with bullshit, although that may be a falsely conscious ideology. Smile icon. Trevor P.S. Don't expect ME to

Re: Take a step back

Richard — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:37:25 GMT

Hi Michael ... No-one in their right mind would suggest that you can take a hunter-getherer and use it as a model for a global society with a very different

Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

JAMES — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:07:43 GMT

Hi Folks, Sorry to stop you in full flow, but could someone please explain what this discussion is all about in simple terms? Yours for socialism (and hoping

Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

Marcos — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:31:01 GMT

Every sociological, political, historical, anthropological, and economical aspect of this society is distorted, even natural sciences many times are also

Fwd: [WSM_Forum] Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

tha_hizouse — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:50:20 GMT

... Totally wrong. He actually never called anything it. Power of myths etc...

Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

tha_hizouse — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:43:38 GMT

... Marx never used the phrase, but what it is used to mean is the naturalized ideology of capitalism. But this is all about interpretations and semantics...

Fwd: [WSM_Forum] Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

tha_hizouse — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:34:53 GMT

Ideology just means dominant ideas? True, I said capitalism. I should have said all class society. What I don't get is that, if false consciousness means

Fwd: [WSM_Forum] Re: 'Ideology is false consciousness' is a fallacy

tha_hizouse — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:33:30 GMT

Ideology just means dominant ideas? True, I said capitalism. I should have said all class society. What I don't get is that, if false consciousness means

Re: Take a step back

alan johnstone — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:28:09 GMT

Michael , Can i quote some extracts from others to you since i think they too cover similar ground as yourself . You say - "Your expectation that a