http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/ World Socialist Movement Forum Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:21:47 GMT X http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39418 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39418 The Impotence of the Revolutionary Group Sam Moss From "International Council Correspondence" I. The difference between the radical organizations and the broad Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:19:26 GMT Citizens of the World http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39417 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39417 Comrades, Just read the exchange below and you will see Lenny is a victim of capitalism who has bought the alienating attitudes of capitalism and expresses in Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:36:54 GMT Robert Howes http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39416 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39416 ... Bob: How is that message going to be delivered to the workers in a believable way? It costs money to get information to people. You need to inform the Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:21:30 GMT jamesnorth279@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39415 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39415 ... No. I'm saying that you don't know. You keep on talking about what 'workers want'. You were asked what you think they want and you have refused to answer Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:20:45 GMT robbo203 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39414 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39414 ... Again this is too mechanistic. How do you imagine that the needs and wants of millions of people translate into the will to establish socialism if not Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:12:17 GMT Lenny Flank http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39413 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39413 ... Are you honestly telling me that you don't have any idea what it is that workers want, and no idea at all how to go about telling what they want? Really? Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:12:03 GMT Lenny Flank http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39412 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39412 ... Alas, what we think doesn't matter. Socialism will come from the needs and wants of millions of people all over the world. It won't come from this "party Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:26:25 GMT Matt Culbert http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39411 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39411 ... There is the same incentive as anywhere else to get off their knees. http://socialist-courier.blogspot.com/2009/07/cancerous-society.html ... We must get Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:11:08 GMT hanoienglish http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39410 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39410 Of course things have been done, but not in the US. The capitalist system has co-opted the workers through their pension plans. Now they are confused. Are Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:18:16 GMT Marquito http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39409 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39409 It has been done by the leftist already, that is a very old experiment, and it did not work, and they are still doing it and it does not work either, the so Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:48:39 GMT jamesnorth279@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39408 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39408 ... You are a worker. You were asked as a worker for an answer about how to organise workers. You refused to give one. ... We are workers organising around the Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:26:22 GMT guruyoghourt http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39407 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39407 ... I want, before I start agreeing with Lenny, to spend some time distancing myself from him...although I do like his abrasive manner. I don't consider the Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:26:05 GMT Lenny Flank http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39406 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39406 ... Answer seems to be missing . . . . . . ... No, it IS the question. You want to know how to destroy capitalism and bring about socialism. Organizing the Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:42:05 GMT groucoeng http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39405 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39405 ... Hi Lenny Ilook forward to tou original reply When it finds its way out of the tank. ... I think you are replying to Byron here, not me ... This is me ... Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:38:01 GMT peter400a http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39404 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/message/39404 On C4's lunch time news (01/07/09), the M&S Chief (Rose) was being interviewed about workers being allowed to wear "shorts in the work place?" he was also