http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/ World in Common Open Debate Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:21:28 GMT David McDonagh http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6809 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6809 McD: Thanks Bob.   George was like that with me in person too. But most of the debates that he  began & wanted to end as soon as possible [the exact opposite Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:25:51 GMT Robert Howes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6808 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6808 Hi David, I've been away in Scotland for a couple of days making a delivery, but now I'm back in South Wales, UK, but a bit tired. *** I'll just respond to the Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:46:11 GMT David McDonagh http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6806 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6806 . PEA: Democratic government, however, is not simply majoritarian. It is, rather, one institutional expression of a democratic type of culture that is still Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:55:57 GMT David McDonagh http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6805 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6805 ... . McD: Hello Bob. . ... . McD: Thanks.   More back pages can be found in the LA website under “Old Hickory” a name Stephen Berry gave me for the site. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:14:50 GMT Robert Howes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6804 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6804 Hi David, I Googled your name and read halfway through your piece on "George Walford, Ideology, Marxism and the SPGB". *** I agree with much of what you say Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:41:55 GMT Robert Howes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6803 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6803 Hi David, Hydrostattic was replying to a previous thread. I will try to look up the book you mentioned. It is important for me to know what I'm doing. I Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:18:28 GMT David McDonagh http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6802 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6802 Bob: Hi David, . McD: Hello Bob. . Bob: I'm hoping for a few more to join the debate. Also I think we should agree that opinion is not the same as scientific Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:57:09 GMT Robert Howes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6801 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6801 Hydro, Thank you for answering all my points. Well, almost all, but some of your answers were in the form of questions. *** Okay, so I lack some knowledge Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:23:18 GMT hydrostattic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6800 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6800 Bob: Now you are insulting my integligence. :-} Hydro: No, it's your lack of knowledge that concerns me. Bob: I won't insult you back. I understand the Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:16:58 GMT Robert Howes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6799 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6799 Hi David, I'm hoping for a few more to join the debate. Also I think we should agree that opinion is not the same as scientific scrutiny. If an opinion is Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:16:47 GMT David McDonagh http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6798 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6798 ... McD: No.   They do not understand the economic problem & in any case nearly everything that they say about the market is false; from class interests to Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:23:41 GMT Robert Howes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6797 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6797 I think it is time to examine in detail the claims of the SPGB/WSM. *** They make huge claims, not just about a possible future socialism but about how it Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:49:25 GMT David McDonagh http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6796 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6796 ... . McD: Not really. The pristine liberals set out to get rid of hunger & war through free trade & their outlook was sound [i.e. logically valid & also Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:43:09 GMT David McDonagh http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6795 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6795 ... McD: Hello Bob. . ... . McD: It has no chance in the future, Bob. It is merely futile anti-economics. In my SPGB days [1968-74] I did not comprehend the Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:00:18 GMT Robert Howes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6794 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiCopendebate/message/6794 Hydro, Now you are insulting my integligence. :-} *** I won't insult you back. I understand the socialist case only too well. And it is not "the" socialist