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      <title>Re: [Z]Chi - Why, what, how</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:54:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Bill!</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/17204</link>
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      <description>Luis, Sorry, I didn&#39;t know what you meant when you posted before. Anthony has defined zazen and shikantaza.  He also defined Rinzai and Soto, but I&#39;ll also</description>
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      <title>Re: [Z]Flower Sermon</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:47:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Bill!</dc:creator>
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      <description>Anthony, I&#39;ve got your Bill! RIGHT HERE!</description>
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      <title>Re: [Z]Flower Sermon</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:41:24 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Anthony Wu</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/17202</link>
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      <description>Santi,   I would like to hear about a brain transplant, besides Frankenstein.   It is precisely because this is a zen group that you can speak freely (you</description>
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      <title>Re: [Z] Spiritual Karma</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:35:09 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Anthony Wu</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/17201</link>
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      <description>JMJM,   I always appreciate your interesting presentation.   The statement that a third person can influence one&#39;s karma is against the Buddhist principle</description>
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      <title>Re: [Z] Spiritual Karma</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:32:09 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Anthony Wu</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/17200</link>
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      <description>Bill,   Chi is a concept accepted (I don&#39;t know who created it) by Taoism, Chinese medicine and kungfu. I look forward to your meeting with JMJM and his</description>
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      <title>Re: [Z]Chi - Why, what, how</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:27:54 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Anthony Wu</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/17199</link>
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      <description>Basic English:   Zazen = sitting zen in Japanese. Sikantaza = just sit. Rinzai Sect = a zen school that advocates beating to induce enlightenment, recommended</description>
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      <title>Re: [Z]Flower Sermon</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:16:35 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Anthony Wu</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/17198</link>
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      <description>Bill,   There is no THIS Bill either. It is in constant flux. As soon as you want to call it Bill, like you say, it disintegrates, in the process of being</description>
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      <title>Re: [Z] Spiritual Karma</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:07:11 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/17197</link>
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      <description>Good morning Bill, So far, I have not found any direct mention of chi in Buddhist text. But it is all over the Taoist.  Perhaps that&#39;s why, Edgar mentions Tao </description>
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      <title>Re: [Z] Spiritual Karma</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:55:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Bill!</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/17196</link>
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      <description>JMJM, In a previous post you wrote: There are two topics to your post below: karma and chi.  You talk about how they relate to each other. I know karma is a</description>
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      <title>[Z] Spiritual Karma</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:57:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明</dc:creator>
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      <description>Good Morning To All, Similar to physical karma, spiritual karma is also seldom discussed in the online groups.  Please allow me to share with you our</description>
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      <title>Re: [Z]Chi - Why, what, how</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:33:46 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Luis Santiago</dc:creator>
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      <description>Guys, basic english for us beginners : ) &quot;Santi&quot; ... From: Bill! &lt;BillSmart@...&gt; Subject: [Zen] Re: [Z]Chi - Why, what, how To:</description>
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      <title>Re: [Z]Flower Sermon</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:33:26 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Luis Santiago</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/17193</link>
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      <description>Funny yes, I have heard of one, but I thought this was a zen group not a christian one : ) &quot;Santi&quot; ... From: Anthony Wu &lt;wuasg@...&gt; Subject: Re: [Zen]</description>
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      <title>Re: Hey Bill!</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:20:59 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>mike brown</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/17192</link>
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      <description>Bill, I take the opposite view about Edgar. I believe he has had experience in relation to Buddha Nature, but uses too narrow a field (science) to explain it.</description>
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      <title>Re: [Z]Flower Sermon</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:15:12 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>mike brown</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/17191</link>
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      <description>Bill, This reminds me of Philosophy 101 classes except they use the example of a wooden sailing ship sailing around the world (let`s called it the Marika</description>
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      <title>Re: [Z]Flower Sermon</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:21:58 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Bill!</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/17190</link>
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      <description>Anthony, There is no previous Bill!  There is only this Bill!  Only THIS!</description>
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