http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ meditation, books, teachers, practice, Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:01:02 GMT Jody W. Ianuzzi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11694 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11694 Hello JM, I am not sure if my practice is correct, but I will imagine concepts to get in the state of mind to meditate. We live near the ocean and we will Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:41:15 GMT Edgar Owen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11693 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11693 Jue Miao, Of course direct experience not words is real Zen. That in fact is what my papers all say though apparently you haven't read them. On this group Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:13:48 GMT Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11692 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11692 Jody, You are right. The whole is the universal consciousness. All practices leads to "sync" us with the whole. While someone like Edgar, may analysis, Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:56:01 GMT Edgar Owen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11691 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11691 Hi Bill, Here are links to the two papers. Would be glad to hear your or anyone else's comments. http;//EdgarLOwen.com/stc.pdf theory of the physical world Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:06:15 GMT Jody W. Ianuzzi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11690 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11690 Hello Bill, You wrote :I agree with you that chanting does serve the same purpose as counting breaths. They're both used to quiet the mind - the rational Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:51:54 GMT BillSmart@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11689 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11689 Jody, Thanks for your post. I appreciate your perspectives and welcome the opportunity to discuss topics like these in an open forum. I hope others reading Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:30:31 GMT Jody W. Ianuzzi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11688 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11688 Hello Bill, As much as I appreciate the Soto Zen methods of meditation, I am also curious about the Tibetan methods of focusing on an image of compassion and Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:21:35 GMT BillSmart@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11687 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11687 Edgar, Yes, I brought up this repetition phenomenon in my first post. I used an example Catholic Hail Mary's, but it would, as you point out, eventually apply Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:49:11 GMT Edgar Owen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11686 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11686 Bill, Some good points. One comment. Actually I think the idea of chanting even if the words are in your language is to repeat something so many times that its Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:25:56 GMT BillSmart@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11685 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11685 Edgar, I agree with you that consciousness is the essence of zen. I prefer the word 'awareness' instead of 'consciousness', but I assume we're speaking about Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:19:32 GMT BillSmart@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11684 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11684 Jody, Thanks for your post. It gives me the opportunity to better explain my perspective on chanting. ... other languages that we don't understand. I did Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:12:11 GMT Jody W. Ianuzzi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11683 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11683 Hello Bill, You described that chanting should be sounds with no meaning or chants from other languages that we don't understand. But if the chants are in Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:07:06 GMT Edgar Owen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11682 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11682 Hi Bill, I posted it here because consciousness is the essence of Zen. Zen is precisely pure consciousness. So the more we understand about the true nature of Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:32:34 GMT BillSmart@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11681 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11681 Edgar, Robert, Stan, et al... I am not a participant on the Evolutionary-Psychology Forum but picked this thread up from another forum that I do participate in Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:21:42 GMT Edgar Owen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11680 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/11680 Robert, All this discussion is unfortunately moot, since it depends entirely on how the computer is programmed and what kinds of sensory inputs it is hooked up