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      <title>Re: Zen, introduction, Sufism, etc</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:49:21 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Bill Smart</dc:creator>
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      <description>Anthony, I&#39;d like to rephrase one thing in my post below. It doesn&#39;t really matter what Jesus meant when he said this.  I have no way of knowing that.  The</description>
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      <title>Re: Zen, introduction, Sufism, etc</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:28:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>BillSmart@...</dc:creator>
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      <description>Anthony, After thinking more about Jesus&#39; words which I quoted in the post below he may have meant the peace and the sword to have more of a personal</description>
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      <title>Re: Zen, introduction, Sufism, etc</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:08:20 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>BillSmart@...</dc:creator>
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      <description>Anthony, I don&#39;t want to get into a discussion where I&#39;m defending someone else&#39;s words, even if they are the words of D.T.Suzuki.  I get in enough trouble </description>
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      <title>Re: Essay: Emotions</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:52:35 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>BillSmart@...</dc:creator>
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      <description>Received, read, teeth have been ground and now we can move on.Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Owen </description>
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      <title>Re: Can Qi Qong, Tai Chi, Feng Shui, yoga, ruah, pneuma help?</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:52:31 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>BillSmart@...</dc:creator>
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      <description>JMJM, As you know I believe karma and chi are illusory, but I’m interested in how Chan views these concepts.  I know I’ve asked you this before but your</description>
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      <title>Re: Zen, introduction, Sufism, etc</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:24:54 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>mike brown</dc:creator>
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      <description>Anthony, By entering the room and thinking about it, you`ve sprung Bill`s trap. Indeed, the koan gives and takes life just as much as the sword. Look at it</description>
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      <title>Re: Can Qi Qong, Tai Chi, Feng Shui, yoga, ruah, pneuma help?</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:59:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明</dc:creator>
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      <description>Anthony，Sorry.  I have been in the US too long.  I am not familiar with FLG... ... -- 當下的領悟，禪修路上的漣漪。 Each Realization is just a</description>
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      <title>Re: Can Qi Qong, Tai Chi, Feng Shui, yoga, ruah, pneuma help?</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:38:21 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Anthony Wu</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/15666</link>
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      <description>JM,   What do you think of Falun Gong, compared with Qigong etc?   Anthony ... From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 &lt;chan.jmjm@...&gt; Subject: [Zen]</description>
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      <title>Re: Zen, introduction, Sufism, etc</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:28:33 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Anthony Wu</dc:creator>
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      <description>Bill,   Suppose I am as enlightened as you are, I will raise my sword and fight with the intruding warrier, concentrating on killing and/or being killed. As I</description>
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      <title>Can Qi Qong, Tai Chi, Feng Shui, yoga, ruah, pneuma help?</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:38:40 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明</dc:creator>
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      <description>Someone asked this question............... Yes, yoga, QiGong, prana, acupuncture, Taichi, Feng Shui, ruah, pneuma, all are about Chi,   They all help.</description>
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      <title>Re: Essay: Emotions</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:09:31 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Edgar Owen</dc:creator>
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      <description>Bill, My, such hostility for a Zen practicioner! You still deny that some world models are better than others because they are in better correspondence with</description>
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      <title>Re: Is this a meditative state?</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:51:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Edgar Owen</dc:creator>
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      <description>Bill, Apparently you don&#39;t think keeping Giselle&#39;s body safe is important? Edgar On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:28 PM, &lt;BillSmart@...&gt; ... Bill, Apparently you</description>
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      <title>Re: Zen introduction, sufism, etc</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:03:38 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Maria Lopez</dc:creator>
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      <description>Hi James, Thanks for giving an enlargement description to your previous post on this one.  I think I understand better what were you getting at.  I´m under</description>
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      <title>Re: Zen, introduction, Sufism, etc</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:15:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>BillSmart@...</dc:creator>
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      <description>Anthony, You are in a house in a time of war.  You are in a room with a family of farmers, a man, his wife and 3 small children.  A warrior suddenly breaks </description>
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      <title>Re: Zen, introduction, Sufism, etc</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:59:18 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>BillSmart@...</dc:creator>
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      <description>Anthony, Again, you?ve misunderstood or at least over-interpreted my words.  Or maybe I?ve misunderstood you? For clarification I believe: Compassion is</description>
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