http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/ 'Zion National Park Hiking' Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:55:45 GMT jeff http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47397 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47397 and there's an earlier exchange of info beginning at msg 31497. Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:43:23 GMT jeff http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47396 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47396 For the record, Joe can get his own crazy dude on. To wit, message 33371: Re: TR-The Escape From Heaps We were also considering coming down from the West Rim Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:31:43 GMT mcooprec http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47395 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47395 Joe, thanks for the knowledge about Trail Canyon being a 'go.' That's helpful info. Really, the crazy part of the route is obviously between Park Hdqtrs and Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:20:09 GMT Joe Braun http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47394 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47394 OK, I'll say it: you're %#@*$ crazy, dude! Ha ha, sorry I couldn't resist, but I couldn't even imagine doing that route, let alone with a heavy pack. Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:17:26 GMT mojave_ben http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47393 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47393 I'd agree with everything that Tom has said - Escalante has a lot more loop options, problem with Zion is the intense 3D nature of the place and too many Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:52:38 GMT mcooprec http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47392 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47392 Here's what I was thinking/hoping to do: After climbing to Bee Hive Peak, exit the north side of the peak. Head NW and climb up to the top of the large plateau Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:21:17 GMT mcooprec http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47391 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47391 Thanks a lot for the tip, Tom! Best, Michael Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:20:50 GMT TomJones http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47390 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47390 I have spend a lot of time looking at that ridge, and have wondered the same thing. It would offer access to two interesting-looking canyon descents. The Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:12:14 GMT TomJones http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47389 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47389 ... I love Zion. But Zion is not such a good place for overnight trips, and especially for extended overnight trips. May I suggest finding a copy of Steve Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:05:57 GMT mcooprec http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47388 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47388 Hi, Tom: I just reread your message (copied in part below). Actually, when I was asking the group if it was possible to climb up to Bee Hive Peak with heavy Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:32:04 GMT chrisanla http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47387 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47387 Looks like we have some great photographers in this group. Great Photos Mike. Thanks for sharing. Chris Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:26:09 GMT chrisanla http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47386 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47386 Great Photos Joe. One of my favorit photos of yours in Zion is the one you call Reflecting Pool. I am jealous of that photo. :) Great shot!! Glad to see it Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:12:22 GMT mcooprec http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47385 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47385 Hi, Jeff: Thanks for chiming in. We are probably looking at 6 or 7 days of being in the backcountry, after setting up any necessary water caches. Depending on Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:48:05 GMT jeff http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47384 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47384 Was wondering how many days out on the trek you were shooting for. How many miles per day? What was your last Desert Death March like? I like Tom's idea of Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:30:27 GMT mcooprec http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47383 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_National_Park_Hiking/message/47383 Thanks so much, Tom & Joe, for your replies/insight. Anyone else care to chime in with suggestions? Thanks again, Michael