http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/ a_film_by Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:41:15 GMT Ken Eisenstein http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48393 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48393 ... Sorry about that typo. Yes, what I meant to write was: "But what she wasN'T spared..." The doc is suggesting that in addition to her life, she wasn't Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:53:51 GMT Blake Lucas http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48392 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48392 ... able to tell. Wait a minute. As you correctly quote him above, she WASN'T spared anything. (So I don't understand "what she was spared" above but assume Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:44:13 GMT Ken Eisenstein http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48391 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48391 ... It does. But what she was spared is something the doctor might be able to tell. ... Sure. But all good art is supposed to make you jump. ... except that Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:44:33 GMT Blake Lucas http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48390 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48390 ... the Beth Forbes ... I thought this line did simply refer to the rape. when it is compounded with Beth's floral ... toward Beth's ... Maybe, because the Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:10:58 GMT Ken Eisenstein http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48389 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48389 When the doctor speaks to Vern upon Vern's return to the scene of the Beth Forbes crime, he says: "I don't know how to tell you this - She - wasn't spared Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:52:11 GMT Blake Lucas http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48388 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48388 ... comparison ... HIGH ... she is ... film's ... Kelly's ... Exactly right, as you say below. Her sexuality is not a concern of the film--so I take it as a Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:45:32 GMT peterhenne http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48387 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48387 I agree with your take on this early scene in "Rancho Notorious" and I will have to seek out your piece in "The Western Reader." My recollection is that Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:39:12 GMT Blake Lucas http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48386 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48386 ... judgment of ... Yes, it was clear it wasn't you making that judgement. It's been some months now since I last saw HIGH NOON, but I ... and the ... about Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:26:47 GMT Edward Howard http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48385 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48385 ... Well, I hope it's at least obvious that it's not *me *making the judgment of "sluttish." It's been some months now since I last saw HIGH NOON, but I Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:26:36 GMT Blake Lucas http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48384 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48384 ... from ... of ... Of course you are right, Richard. Sorry for the overstatement. Every piece should be taken as an individual piece and judged accordingly. Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:16:05 GMT Edward Howard http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48383 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48383 ... Thanks for the well thought-out reply, Blake. I'm not basing my comparison on the premise of Grace Kelly's character being a literal virgin in HIGH NOON -- Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:02:22 GMT Richard Modiano http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48382 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48382 ... "...Typical feminist drivel that is a world away from the .ilm, from Fritz Lang, and even from what Marlene Dietrich's own character is all about..." Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:01:39 GMT Blake Lucas http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48381 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48381 ... the sluttish, exotic foreigner -- After I posted, I felt remiss to not comment on Katy Jurado's character too, which may be less interesting than Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:35:40 GMT Blake Lucas http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48380 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48380 ... fascinating if not ... romance ... unexpectedly, with ... seems to be ... - the ... blonde ... down that ... a bit of ... game ... Mesquida ... playing a Tue, 08 Jul 2008 03:27:55 GMT Edward Howard http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48379 http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/48379 I saw Breillat's THE LAST MISTRESS tonight, and found it fascinating if not always entirely successful: