http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/ Abramelin Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:53:32 GMT shivagodmind http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/881 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/881 Wow, cool, thanks for sharing that. It's cool to see how different people's experiences are with the operation. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:47:38 GMT David Stolowitz http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/880 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/880 If you look at book 3 and 4, the different magical effects and their attendant spirits are grouped as "good", "evil", and a neutral category that Abe says can Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:43:13 GMT David Stolowitz http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/879 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/879 Thanks Georg. What is "Zappa's Black Box"? Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:42:39 GMT David Stolowitz http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/878 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/878 Hi Desiree. The book is available on a number of websites. Just do a google search with the full title and author in quotations and you'll find a good site in Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:24:15 GMT Khem Caigan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/877 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/877 ... Here are a few more items that might prove useful in your search : "We shall consider four accounts of the role of mysticism in Rabbinic Judaism. The first Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:41:00 GMT Khem Caigan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/876 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/876 The truth is, Judaism is a lot more varied and multi-vocal than some folks want you to believe. With regard to "familiar spirits", see, for example : Israel's Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:31:55 GMT Desi Magia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/875 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/875 Well the truth is that the Torah is against all types of Magic which has no origin in the old hebrew tradition. Those who know, know that most of the old sages Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:19:41 GMT Desi Magia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/874 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/874 But Kabbalah itself is also very Jewish and figures heavily in its spirituality. The man who wrote the Abraham Elim Operation was a Jew to begin with. Well as Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:48:14 GMT daniel culver http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/873 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/873 Thanks!   I figured one of you veterans could reference some scholarly material on the subject. I was also pretty fascinated as to how traditional jewish Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:33:17 GMT Khem Caigan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/872 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/872 ... For starters, you might try reading some of the literature that has been produced by scholars such as Scholem, Schafer, Wolfson, Idel, &tc., rather than Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:01:18 GMT daniel culver http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/871 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/871 Indeed. Maybe after a thousand or two years jewish opinions on using supernatural abilities changed.   He does say that this is based on the mixed kabbalah, Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:37:21 GMT Athena http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/870 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/870 This is only a guess, but many people of a particular religion will practice it in a way that feels right to them, and perhaps the angels and/or God have Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:31:31 GMT daniel c http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/869 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/869 Hey everyone- I was wondering if any of you knew of justification in the torah to perform the operation? All the torah searches and websites give every reason Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:41:38 GMT desi.magia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/868 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/868 Oh and David, I would very much like to read that book in full. Can you tell me where I can buy it, or whether I can download it somewhere among those free Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:49:57 GMT desi.magia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/867 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abramelin/message/867 Hi I am a bit late with this comment, but Abraham does not actually address just any reader. Let us not forget that hi youngest son was called Lamech. It was