http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/ Agile Software Testing Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:56:10 GMT Gojko Adzic http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17471 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17471 Hi, The video from last month's agile testing evening at skills matter in london is now online. Dave Evans and Mike Scott from SQS talked on the subject of Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:17:30 GMT James Martin http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17470 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17470 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:05 PM, hernancastagnola ... Have you evaluated STAF? It's a framework and execution engine that can be used to distribute and Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:02:40 GMT George Dinwiddie http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17468 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17468 ... You don't need to rewrite it in Java. It runs well under JRuby. - George -- ... * George Dinwiddie * http://blog.gdinwiddie.com Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:56:15 GMT Dave Liebreich http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17467 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17467 I agree with George's and Mark's comments in the context of TDD. It is a hurdle, and it is great. My original question was in the context of ATDD, where the Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:44:48 GMT woynam http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17466 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17466 Wow, Ted, it sounds like you're complaining about being able to define the elements. ;-) Typically, the testers are given a bunch of untestable, unreadable Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:36:24 GMT George Dinwiddie http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17465 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17465 ... Ted, in the case of creating a test for an HTML page, then you're deciding what it should be when you write your test. You could decide that short values, Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:48:24 GMT Phlip http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17464 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17464 ... I thought canoo was in Java and Cuke in Ruby. The benefit I'm getting out of Cucumber is a literate surface layer, above the layer of its "steps", which Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:09:46 GMT hernancastagnola http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17463 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17463 Thanks everybody for your help. I have been investigating about cucumber and it seems really good. So I am going to start creating some tests in canoo web Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:27:09 GMT heusserm http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17462 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17462 ... Well, the syllabus is free: http://www.testertroubles.com/2009/02/iseb-intermediate-syllabus.html It doesn't exactly jump out an say "agile" to me. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:09:00 GMT elisabethshendrickson http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17461 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17461 This is the first I've heard of any level of the ISEB covering any aspect of Agile. So I would be *fascinated* to know what it covers with respect to testing Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:42:50 GMT heusserm http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17460 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17460 ... I do not endorse any test certifications at this time, besides perhaps the Miagi-do black belt award, which is an ongoing /apprenticeship/ program. That Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:03:21 GMT Manuel MOLINIER http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17459 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17459 HI, from my experience of the ISTQB/ISEB certification the most important part is not the certificate but the training that is given. At least for the Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:35:40 GMT lloyd_blake2000 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17458 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17458 Hi, I came across this posting on the following site: http://www.testertroubles.com/search/label/Iseb Where the talk was about the ISEB Intermediate course and Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:22:53 GMT Ted Young http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17457 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17457 It's more than just code-level (syntax) checking, it's very much like trying to write a test for an HTML web page without knowing what the username input field Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:20:05 GMT Ted Young http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17456 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/message/17456 In this instance adding a level of indirection (test abstraction) may be the only to go in order to write the tests first. However, I can see that extra layer