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      <title>Re: Time for a new charter - or outlived its usefulness</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:05:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>olivier.pizzato</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4405</link>
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      <description>... I am interested by any experience where CMMi is not abused this way. I am not a CMM expert but I helped someone clarifying the difficulties he encountered</description>
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      <title>Re: Taylor or not</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:24:51 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>padgett-brown</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4404</link>
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      <description>... I think you can interpret Taylor your way, if you wish, but even the documents you linked to make it clear that the &quot;best way&quot; was based on observing the</description>
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      <title>Re: Time for a new charter - or outlived its usefulness</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:34:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Hillel Glazer</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4403</link>
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      <description>Yes, Paulk didn&#39;t mention Deming or TQM specifically in CMM (for software). I&#39;d go look at the introductory pages of Humphrey&#39;s &quot;Managing the Software</description>
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      <title>Re: Moderator volunteers?</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:33:32 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>David J Anderson</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4402</link>
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      <description>Ha! Seems you&#39;ve passed the invisible threshold and your posts are auto approved now ;-)</description>
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      <title>Re: Time for a new charter - or outlived its usefulness</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:32:29 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>heusserm</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4401</link>
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      <description>... Heusser ... 1) Well, the intro to CMM, page vii, assumes &quot;that the reader has some knowledge of, and experience in, developing and/or maintaining software,</description>
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      <title>Re: Time for a new charter - or outlived its usefulness</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:19:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>heusserm</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4400</link>
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      <description>PS: You can find a discussion of measurement theory in Deming&#39;s work - &quot;Out of the Crisis&quot;, Chapter 9, Pg 292 in my copy.  This makes a &quot;quantitatively managed</description>
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      <title>Re: Moderator volunteers?</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:12:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>heusserm</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4399</link>
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      <description>I&#39;d be happy to moderate, David.  You do not need to approve this message to send to the group, though. :-) --matt</description>
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      <title>Re: Time for a new charter - or outlived its usefulness</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:23:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Hillel Glazer</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4398</link>
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      <description>Gee thanks! I&#39;ll address your points in-line... Cheers! --&gt;&gt;  Hillel -- Hillel Glazer, Principal &amp; CEO Entinex, Inc. Get value from CMMI, not artifacts.(TM) </description>
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      <title>Moderator volunteers?</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:11:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>David J Anderson</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4397</link>
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      <description>I need to refresh the list of other moderators for this group. If you are a regular contributor and care enough and would like to help by approving new members</description>
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      <title>Re: Time for a new charter - or outlived its usefulness</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:09:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>heusserm</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4396</link>
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      <description>(These next couple of emails are tough) (I am trying, hard, to stick to facts here, folks.  Facts.  I think Hillel is a really smart guy and I would be pleased</description>
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      <title>Re: Taylor or not</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:09:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>heusserm</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4395</link>
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      <description>... This is verifiably false.  See &quot;The Principles of Scientific Managment&quot; By Frederick Winslow Taylor, 1910 edition, page 44, &quot;The Story of Schmidt.&quot; You can</description>
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      <title>Re: Taylor or not</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:41:20 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Hillel Glazer</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4394</link>
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      <description>Good points... thought what I believe was being discussed was more about how Taylor&#39;s work ended up being implemented, rather than how he came to his </description>
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      <title>Re: Taylor or not</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:49:29 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>padgett-brown</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4393</link>
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      <description>... Professors generally prefer that students forego an actual reading of the original sources in favor of a value-laden critiques of the unread work.  All</description>
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      <title>PMI Agile community launch event at Agile 2009</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:58:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>classmaker</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4392</link>
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      <description>FYI... The Scrum Alliance will be hosting a reception during the Agile 2009 conference to celebrate the official launch of the PMI Agile community See the</description>
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      <title>Re: Time for a new charter - or outlived its usefulness</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:21:41 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Hillel Glazer</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agilemanagement/message/4391</link>
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      <description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Matt Heusser &lt;matt.heusser@...&gt; wrote: ... W. Taylor, the author of scientific management, .... It&#39;s not.  Premise</description>
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