http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/ Philosophical Foundations of AI Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:27:21 GMT George http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16812 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16812 ... Is an expert in ornithology, an expert in aerodynamics? George Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:59:05 GMT Peter Brawley http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16811 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16811 ... No, Eray, that's /your/ question, not everybody's question. Many of us want to know animal brains & minds work. PB Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:53:20 GMT George http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16810 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16810 ... The term didn't ring a bell, but after reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_channel ,yes I know of steganography, port knocking, etc. Can you Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:51:01 GMT Stuart W. Mirsky http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16809 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16809 ... Sorry, I may be ignorant of this or that fact but that does not mean I am prepared to acquiesce to arguments from authority. Nevertheless, my skeptical Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:49:53 GMT Peter Brawley http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16808 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16808 Michael, Thanks for the URL. You can learn a great deal from extracellular power spectral analysis of the sort he does, especially you can learn about Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:44:51 GMT Eray Ozkural http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16807 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16807 On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Peter ... Computationalism is definitely not limited to discrete computers, and it is most certainly not a singular Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:44:46 GMT Stuart W. Mirsky http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16806 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16806 ... But the issue here isn't what is theoretically possible but what is practically possible given an adequate theory of consciousness. As you know, mine is Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:37:18 GMT Michael Olea http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16805 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16805 ... http://osiris.rutgers.edu/BuzsakiHP/Publications/publications.html -- M. Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:36:57 GMT Stuart W. Mirsky http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16804 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16804 ... I think ("believe") that your proposal is at least in principle correct. However it is NOT the "main philosophical problem." THAT appears to be the Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:32:18 GMT Peter Brawley http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16803 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16803 EO>Theory of computation is not limited to digital computers. There you go again, with your two characteristic errors. First, you conflate computationalism (an Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:27:06 GMT Eray Ozkural http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16802 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16802 Excuse me, it's George not Georges, Georges would have said something very harsh about vitalism. -- Eray Ozkural, PhD candidate. Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:12:09 GMT Eray Ozkural http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16801 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16801 On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Peter ... Theory of computation is not limited to digital computers. It has accounted for all kinds of computers, even Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:08:50 GMT Eray Ozkural http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16800 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16800 ... Good, but I don't think you are aware of his fundamental contributions to theory of computation (and artificial neural networks) in addition to being one Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:06:51 GMT Peter Brawley http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16799 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16799 Eray, (i) the best evidence is that the mammalian brain is not a digital computer, (ii) I've much respect for Marvin Minsky, (iii) since we are discussing how Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:00:05 GMT Eray Ozkural http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16798 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16798 On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Peter ... It was obvious that I wrote that in reference to his claims on the purportedly absent capabilities of computers.