http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/ This list is for all those interested in alternative energy including solar power, wind turbines, photovoltaic (pv) systems, hy Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:34:29 GMT Steve Spence http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24683 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24683 The real way to measure if this device saved you any power is to plug your appliance into a Kill-A-Watt meter and run it for 24 hours. Write down the kWh Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:33:37 GMT Steve Spence http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24682 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24682 People who do not understand the difference between power and energy shouldn't not be selling solar solutions. Steve Spence Renewable energy and self Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:33:33 GMT Steve Spence http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24681 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24681 That's not an accurate test. See my other email for a specific test. Steve Spence Renewable energy and self sufficiency http://www.green-trust.org Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:52:12 GMT Alex Markin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24680 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24680 Doug, national USA bankruptcy, because the change does not recognize the need to bring health care costs down to a norm comparable with other industrialized Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:42:35 GMT Irene http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24679 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24679 There is a company starting up that will be renting to commercial and to residential customers. They are doing the same that the cell phone and the satellite Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:41:20 GMT Irene http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24678 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24678 The company is just starting, they are doing the same as the cell phone and satellite dish companies did by renting the product to you and charging you a Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:41:19 GMT Irene http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24677 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24677 Toward the end of May we had the Power Saver installed. Our May bill was 176.23 and we used 1,666 kwh. We had both air conditioners running, used about the Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:41:02 GMT Irene http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24676 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24676 It is Citizenre Corporation. It is not free. They are just getting started and will be doing businesess and will have another part of the company that will Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:40:47 GMT Irene http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24675 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24675 Moderator Comment - It is CitizenRe again. They lack any large volume source for cost-effective systems, in other words an installed system with a net Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:28:11 GMT Irene http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24674 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24674 Ok, got most of the figures, but it is hard to figure with all the changes. Adding a bus that has a small frig, a small freezer and a window air Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:27:35 GMT Gregkaye http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24673 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24673 We love windmills and there's no denying it - they definitely have a certain appeal. They creaked noisily around in their charmingly inefficient way and did an Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:27:08 GMT Doug Kalmer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24672 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24672 What's inane about- "Change we can believe in"? It means change in a postive direction, like health care for everyone. Doug Re: CHANGE Posted by: "Alex Markin" Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:06:39 GMT thisnametooktolong http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24671 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24671 You bet it is all about change; Close Gitmo Check now they get beat twice a day, Fridays off. Make sacrifices Check jet set all over the world using 2, Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:32:17 GMT thisnametooktolong http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24670 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24670 HMMM fact and joke time There are real PV systems that can be placed on a rooftop without purchase. They are done on a commercial scale for commercial Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:32:16 GMT dan G http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24669 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternatepower/message/24669 Let me guess: The Brooklyn Bridge? Dan G