http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/ The American Mafia Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:06:52 GMT dashmike@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1672 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1672 Well, Thopmson and Raymond give Kelly's Harlem address - 352 East 116th Street - and say the property was "owned by his friends and co-workers of gangdom, the Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:11:56 GMT Richard Warner http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1671 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1671 And real estate records would not be able to confirm if Paul Kelly -- nor anyone else -- rented a room within a building owned by someone else.  I did go over Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:11:46 GMT David Critchley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1670 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1670 Hi Mike Yes, I did try on one of my visits to Chambers Street to find mention of Vaccarelli and that address in East Harlem, but nothing.  So we have to rely Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:12:15 GMT mike_dash@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1669 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1669 This was one of Herbert Asbury's lines. If you check online "sources", they all refer to Luciano joining up in the years 1915-16. This seems very late. Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:12:06 GMT mike_dash@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1668 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1668 There is some indication that the Morellos had involvement in a plasterers' union before 1910. Secret Service records indicate that this is how Morello made Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:33:40 GMT mrheavy_2000 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1667 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1667 Also, when Paul Kelly was in the ILA, was he doing so in alliance with the Morellos? Was he ousted by others later, Mineo's maybe? Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:04:27 GMT Ryan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1666 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1666 What proof do we have that Luciano was a member of the Five Points gang? I've read it over and over again but have never seen the origin of the story. Also, Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:08:55 GMT David Critchley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1665 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1665 You mean the other way around?  Profaci was in Bay Ridge and Bensonhurst.  Mangano in South Brooklyn (Red Hook).  There again, the Gallos (Profaci) were Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:08:44 GMT David Critchley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1664 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1664 Its possible, but more likely that Profaci was linked to the Villabate area, where he was born and raised.  Family power tended to be localized, though there Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:58:28 GMT mrheavy_2000 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1663 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1663 I wondered if the clan aspect would arise. Is it feasable that Profaci may have business in Red Hook and Mangano had business in Bensonhurst, being geography Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:21:49 GMT Thomas Hunt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1662 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1662 ... I think you need to free yourself of the limits of geography. Yale, D'Aquila, Pollaccia, Profaci and others did all function at one time or another in the Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:21:08 GMT David Critchley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1661 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1661 Hi Tom.  One problem is that we have so little information on the early Profacis.  Magliocco was related to him and like Profaci, came out of nowhere in Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:58:24 GMT mrheavy_2000 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1660 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1660 Excellent research! It just seems that if a new group would spring up under Yale's or especially D'Aquila's nose (I thought Profaci operated in the geographic Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:37:29 GMT David Critchley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1659 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1659 There's nothing at all in the record about Profaci being in OC before 1928, when he was caught at Cleveland. He said that he set himself up in the grocery Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:37:20 GMT David Critchley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1658 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanmafia/message/1658 Back to Profaci for a moment.  One of his Family members was named D'Agati.  Well, according to Dr Allegra, the boss of Villabate, from whence Profaci came,