http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/ Ancient Papacy Mon, 19 May 2008 22:25:06 GMT ChristianAction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/43 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/43 I found this link http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keyw ords=popular+history+of+the+catholic+church&x=9&y=15 Due to its Mon, 19 May 2008 20:51:38 GMT John Collorafi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/42 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/42 And you wonder why so many Trads are becoming "sede vecantist" (sp?) the Vatican is simply losing it's credibility. ... Actually it seems to me that there are Mon, 19 May 2008 19:56:21 GMT John Collorafi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/41 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/41 http://www.amazon.com/Popular-History-Catholic-Church-Philip/dp/00208564\ 07 If this link doesn't go through, I'd be grateful if anyone could post a working Mon, 19 May 2008 19:50:24 GMT John Collorafi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/40 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/40 http://www.amazon.com/Popular-History-Catholic-Church-Philip/dp/00208564\ 07 I'd like to recommend, especially for inquirers to Catholicism like Louis, A Mon, 19 May 2008 19:11:14 GMT Ann Smith http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/39 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/39 ... I agree. After all, He chose Judas. And although everyone agrees that what he did was wrong, great good came out of it. God can use anyone. Jesus Mon, 19 May 2008 18:55:37 GMT Louis Charles http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/38 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/38 I am more concerned with intentional, diabolical "failures" rather than "failures" per se. The way I understand the workings of the Holy Spirit, one can turn Mon, 19 May 2008 18:52:18 GMT Louis Charles http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/37 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/37 ok. But it is very confusing to me. The concept seems so abstract whereas I am having a difficult time comprehending it. LC Christian Action Mon, 19 May 2008 18:34:37 GMT Christian Action http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/35 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/35 Catholics and non-Catholics need to stop confusing the definition of a pope's infallibility with what he does either by word or example. /s/ Nicholas Landholt, Mon, 19 May 2008 17:46:10 GMT John Collorafi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/34 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/34 Louis, The answer to your last two posts is in Pastor Aeternus, the dogmatic definition of the First Vatican Council, quoted below: ...we teach and define as a Mon, 19 May 2008 17:37:17 GMT Louis Charles http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/33 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/33 ... ********* and what if he tries? And you wonder why so many Trads are becoming "sede vecantist" (sp?) the Vatican is simply losing it's credibility. LC Mon, 19 May 2008 17:36:24 GMT Louis Charles http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/32 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/32 isn't "teaching" and "acting" very often, one in the same. "Lead by example" comes to mind. In fact, one of the most memorable moments in my learning about Sun, 18 May 2008 23:02:14 GMT Ann Smith http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/31 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/31 This is exactly what they don't understand. I'm hoping that by making me give them examples, I can show that their understanding of infallibility is flawed. Sun, 18 May 2008 22:18:43 GMT John Collorafi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/30 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/30 Infallibility doesn't mean that popes will always act in a moral and holy manner, free of scandal-- although most popes up to about 500 A.D. were saints. It Sun, 18 May 2008 22:02:41 GMT Ann Smith http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/29 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/29 Go ahead and post away. Like I said when I joined, I love learning about this stuff. I think that getting any information from this period is difficult, so Sun, 18 May 2008 19:48:12 GMT Ann Smith http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/28 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientpapacy/message/28 Thanks! She claims that apostolic succession is a joke and that anyone who has studied the subject knows that. I've quoted Matt. 16:18,19, but she hasn't