http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/ Social Security, Defined Benefits, Cash Balance... Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:00:24 GMT fhawontcutit http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3700 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3700 ... Could just be a matter of their own self-interest. Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:21:08 GMT William Chirolas http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3699 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3699 LOL - I think you spotted the motivation! Bill From: andylang@yahoogroups.com [mailto:andylang@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fhawontcutit Sent: Sunday, Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:58:25 GMT fhawontcutit http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3698 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3698 ... Maybe the editorial staff figured out that they will need Medicare in their old age? Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:08:35 GMT William Chirolas http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3697 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3697 This was the first New York Times editorial to state truth with no added pro-corporate /insurance company spin or "on the other hand" verbiage. Perhaps the Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:09:14 GMT fhawontcutit http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3696 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3696 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/opinion/27sun1.html ... It has been frustrating to watch Republican leaders posture as the vigilant protectors of Medicare Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:03:11 GMT fhawontcutit http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3695 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3695 ... .."any liability that existed before changing to that type of promise will indeed flow into earnings." That's what I thought. Thanks. Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:57:44 GMT William Chirolas http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3694 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3694 FAS 106 is concerned with the earned during the working years but paid out after this year liability (something actuaries do indeed calculate). Since the Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:58:06 GMT fhawontcutit http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3693 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3693 ... Forgot to add: CONSUMER-DRIVEN HEALTH CARE refers to high-deductible policies with HSAs Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:49:03 GMT fhawontcutit http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3691 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3691 Go to ERIC.ORG. Right-hand column--fourth item down-- right after CASH BALANCE PLANS (gee, imagine that!) is CONSUMER-DRIVEN HEALTH CARE That should tell you Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:47:06 GMT fhawontcutit http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3690 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3690 http://www.cbpp.org/files/9-20-06health.pdf ... A groundbreaking new study by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) demonstrates that Health Savings Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:17:35 GMT William Chirolas http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3689 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3689 CD, Great - I am glad it works for you. As I said, using funds for preventive care when you self-insure goes against the grain for most people, but if you can Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:40:15 GMT capitalistdick http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3688 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3688 Bill, I just checked my Health Care Certificate, and there is no annual payout limit. There is a $5 million lifetime maximum per person. With elderly parents Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:12:13 GMT William Chirolas http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3687 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3687 CD - If you can take a chance of a $200,000 cancer treatment hit to your wealth, the HSA can work for you (high deductible is often matched with a yearly Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:53:37 GMT capitalistdick http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3686 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3686 I have had a high deductible healthcare plan (HDHP) along with a health savings account (HSA) for a couple of years. The HSA is at a credit union so it is not Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:45:12 GMT fhawontcutit http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3685 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/andylang/message/3685 ... Yes, that's what I was getting at -- healthcare reform should be an extension of Medicare to all. We self-insure as a country.