http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/ APOLOGETICS list Sat, 25 May 2013 19:58:02 GMT Robinson Mitchell http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33726 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33726 Raza, I know your post was aimed primarily at skeptics, but as a fellow believer in Jesus Christ, I'd like to add my two cents. In my training as a linguist Sat, 25 May 2013 18:39:48 GMT Stuart Axmaker http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33725 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33725 ... No (Or "yes, it is not a language"). Not in any reasonable sense of the term "language." It's not skepticism, either, it's the proper use of language Sat, 25 May 2013 16:51:36 GMT Captain Trips http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33724 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33724 You mean a *programming* language? Sat, 25 May 2013 06:34:58 GMT RAZA 2009 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33723 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33723 Before I present my case, I am interested to know if there are any other skeptics (other than Vern) who also think DNA is not a language? Fri, 24 May 2013 19:06:23 GMT RAZA 2009 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33722 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33722 ... ok well I will remind you that I am arguing that the biblical definition of faith is not necessarily incompatible with evidence/reason/logic. And since you Thu, 23 May 2013 12:03:26 GMT Vern http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33721 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33721 ... Your biblical definition is very vague. Therefore, I've used the examples found in the bible to clarify what is "faith" as used in the bible. ... I reserve Wed, 22 May 2013 22:32:15 GMT RAZA 2009 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33720 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33720 ... It is possible we are talking past each other here. At this point I am arguing that the biblical *definition* of faith is compatible with a "rational Wed, 22 May 2013 12:28:27 GMT Vladimir Kornea http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33719 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33719 So far I got two responses to my question about faith, including an offlist post by some guy. Neither response actually addressed my question. One claimed that Wed, 22 May 2013 12:08:33 GMT Vern http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33718 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33718 ... You fail to demonstrate that belief as described by the bible is not blind faith. I have shown it to be blind with many examples. There is no tangible Tue, 21 May 2013 18:27:39 GMT RAZA 2009 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33717 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33717 ... You are almost correct here. You are correct it is "not blind" (which was my point), you are incorrect that it does not follow the biblical definition of Tue, 21 May 2013 02:41:32 GMT Vern http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33716 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33716 Actually, turning on a light switch is based upon inductive reasoning, which renders it not blind and doesn't follow the biblical definition of "the assurance Tue, 21 May 2013 01:52:17 GMT RAZA 2009 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33715 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33715 ... As explained it is not *necessarily* a blind leap of faith. For example. When you walk into a dark room and turn on the light switch. That is an act of Tue, 21 May 2013 00:28:23 GMT Vern http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33714 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33714 Quote, "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." (NASV) sure sounds like "blind leap of faith" to me. The only blind Mon, 20 May 2013 19:03:38 GMT RAZA 2009 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33713 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33713 ... Just be aware that your definition has little to do with the biblical definition of faith. So when a Christian takes about having faith you should realize Mon, 20 May 2013 02:20:08 GMT Vladimir Kornea http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33712 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apologia/message/33712 ... Presupposition failure. Vlad