http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/ The aquinas list is intended to support thoughtful, respectful conversation about the works and ideas of St. Thomas Aquinas and Thu, 02 May 2013 16:42:23 GMT Doug Mounce http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8624 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8624 Hi rglen, I would say `yes', that, "the adequation of the intellect is the first meaning of the word... " To be clear, because "adequation" deserves its own Thu, 02 May 2013 01:19:13 GMT rglencoughlin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8623 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8623 What I meant by saying theology would be part of revealed knowledge is that, if we could know by a theological argument that something really was implied by Thu, 02 May 2013 01:12:00 GMT rglencoughlin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8622 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8622 It does seem St. Thomas means by "sacra doctrina" not theology as a developed discipline, but revealed knowledge, part of which would be theology. He is really Thu, 02 May 2013 01:08:09 GMT rglencoughlin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8621 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8621 Certainly the way a thing is the reason a statement about is true, so in some way it is a cause of truth. But the main question I meant to ask is whether the Wed, 01 May 2013 21:47:24 GMT Doug Mounce http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8620 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8620 I would say that a thing cannot cause either truth or being. Regardless of the first cause of a thing, things have the features of truth and being, but things Wed, 01 May 2013 06:37:58 GMT rglencoughlin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8619 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8619 It seems to me that the first meaning of "truth" is the adequation of the intellect to the thing (Cf. q. 16, I think), but that when we say being is Sun, 28 Apr 2013 02:23:57 GMT mjdubroy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8618 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8618 A few more quick thoughts on point 3: I'm not sure what translation you are reading but either you misquoted it or it seems to obscure the point a bit. The Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:53:37 GMT mjdubroy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8617 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8617 A few more quick thoughts about point 2: The Latin of the words you are referring to are convenientius et certius. They are the comparative forms of "fitting" Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:06:35 GMT mjdubroy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8616 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8616 Some quick thoughts about the first point: 1. First, maybe it is helpful to understand what that claim means to say that truth is convertible with being. This Sat, 27 Apr 2013 04:23:35 GMT andrewkench http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8615 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8615 Hi friends, In question one, St. Thomas distinguishes theology from philosophy. Do we really need theology when we have philosophy? seems to be the question. Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:49:29 GMT andrewkench http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8614 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8614 Aquinas writes: "To place our purpose within proper limits, it is necessary first to investigate the nature and extent of this sacred doctrine." So St. Thomas Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:36:48 GMT andrewkench http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8613 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8613 Hi Dan, Since the intellectual virtues are most likely the habits of mind that Aquinas has in mind for us, I reviewed the original text on them. Aristotle Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:07:29 GMT Doug Mounce http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8612 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8612 Thanks Victor, I appreciate that. God does not equal matter, so I don't mind letting matter change within what is changeless, but do others agree with that Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:51:34 GMT VictorM http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8611 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8611 ... All systems of philosophy begin with a first principle, which is how philosophy ends up affecting theology. Aquinas had an important influence on the Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:29:33 GMT Doug Mounce http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8610 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aquinas/message/8610 Another possible foundation, prior to asking questions, might be to reflect on what you believe without either proof or derivation; what they call in physics a