http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/ This list is intended to support slow re Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:47:40 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/489 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/489 After the dazzling heights of the previous sections on reaching the divine, Aristotle returns to very practical matters, on how to educate the young toward Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:17:53 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/488 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/488 First I think it's necessary to return to section 6.12 (1144a) where Aristotle described the 4 parts of the soul and their virtues: "First then let us assert Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:29:42 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/487 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/487 It is difficult to see why Aristotle devotes a chapter to prove that playing games, amusements, which are done "for themselves" are not the greatest good. It Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:25:47 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/486 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/486 [On the diversity and hierarchy of pleasures. Th.] 1175a21-1176a29: This moreover is the ground for believing that pleasures vary in specific quality. For we Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:24:13 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/485 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/485 After another discussion against the anti-hedonists who consider pleasure as a mere movement, in section [5] Aristotle gives his own definition: "For each Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:38:43 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/484 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/484 Here we return to the topic of book 7: Book 10 1172a19-1172b8: Our next business after this is doubtless to discuss Pleasure.For pleasure is thought to be Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:38:31 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/483 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/483 [We have hedonists (Eudoxus) and anti-hedonists. Plato had already attempted to find a middle ground in the Philebus, but Aristotle rejects Plato's Good as Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:02:40 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/482 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/482 1171b29-1172a15: As then lovers find their greatest delight in seeing those they love, and prefer the gratification of the sense of sight to that of all the Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:02:04 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/481 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/481 [the main thing is to be active, share one's happiness with friends, and be there for them when they are in trouble. When one feels distressed, one should not Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:01:48 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/480 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/480 1170b20-1171a20: Ought we then to make as many friends as possible? or, just as it seems a wise saying about hospitality--- "Neither with troops of guests nor Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:27:38 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/479 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/479 The main argument is: "and if life is desirable, and especially so for good men, because existence is good for them, and so pleasant (because they are pleased Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:52:18 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/478 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/478 The main idea is in ?7: "Therefore the good man ought to be a lover of self, since he will then both benefit himself by acting nobly and aid his fellows; but Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:44:12 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/477 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/477 "loving seems to be an active experience [poiêsei] ,being loved a passive one [paschein]; hence affection and the various forms of friendly feeling are Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:14:07 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/476 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/476 1167a22-1167b16: Concord [homonoia] also seems to be a friendly feeling. Hence it is not merely agreement of opinion [homodoxia] , for this might exist even Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:39:54 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/475 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aristotle-ethics/message/475 "Goodwill seems therefore to be the beginning of friendship, just as the pleasure of the eye is the beginning of love." 1166b30-1167a21: 5. Goodwill [eunoia]