http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/ The Biblicalist Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:04:21 GMT Yigal Levin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1739 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1739 My guess would be, that if Samuel had been a Levite, the author would have said so, just as he does in Judges 17:7 and 19:1. The fact is, that within the Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:35:06 GMT Yigal Levin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1738 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1738 What I mean was that he did not disobey Samuel. He waited the time he was supposed to - but Samuel still did not come. Samuel did not say "wait for me, however Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:56:08 GMT funhistory http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1737 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1737 ... Yigal, what am I misunderstanding here? "he tarried seven days, according to the set time that Samuel had appointed: but Samuel came not" Why would it Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:58:46 GMT Kevin P. Edgecomb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1736 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1736 Dear Yigal, I think it's arguably described as "the last straw", at least to the extent that Saul is explicitly told that God is no longer establishing his Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:08:10 GMT Michael Janapin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1735 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1735 Could it be that Samuel INDEED descended from the Levites? Since they do not have an allotment in the land, but only designated cities all over the land, could Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:59:38 GMT funhistory http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1734 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1734 ... I see your point. You're able to argue from both sides of the street (he did NOT keep the law; he DID act as priest). I can't argue against that! G.M. Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:30:48 GMT Peter Kirk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1733 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1733 ... Indeed. But the context here (many Gileadites were also descended from Ephraim) suggests that the designation refers to place of residence rather than Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:06:26 GMT Michael Janapin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1732 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1732 You originally asked me whether Saul was rebuked because he offered the sacrifice. And I said, "I think so." This is because Samuel immediately asked him "What Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:16:08 GMT funhistory http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1731 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1731 ... Well, yes, the focus of his question is on what he did, but the issue we were discussing is what Saul did wrong. "...because thou hast NOT kept that which Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:41:28 GMT Michael Janapin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1730 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1730 Judges 12.5 also has אפרתי and NRSV translates Ephraimite. (This is alongside Ruth and 1 Samuel). ... -- Michael R. Janapin Systems Administrator PBTS Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:15:24 GMT Yigal Levin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1729 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1729 Dear Peter, Most Chronicles scholars agree that the "attaching" of Samuel to the Levite genealogy in Chronicles is artificial, the work of a Second Temple Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:36:31 GMT Peter Kirk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1728 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1728 Is it actually so clear that Samuel was not a Levite? His genealogy in 1 Chronicles 6:33-38 clearly traces him back to Levi. Against that we have the word Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:37:24 GMT Yigal Levin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1727 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1727 Dear Kevin, I must admit that this passage has always bothered me. I think that you're right in the idea that Saul is chastised for both sacrificing and for Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:19:18 GMT Kevin P. Edgecomb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1726 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1726 You're welcome, Michael! As a side note, it's oddities like that which point, for me, to a greater likelihood of accurate historical reminiscence. That is, Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:53:23 GMT Michael Janapin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1725 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biblicalist/message/1725 וַיֹּ֥אמֶר שְׁמוּאֵל מֶה עָשִׂיתָ I think the focus of Samuel's question is not on what Saul did not do (wait), but on what he