http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/ Bicycling Advocacy Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:32:28 GMT Remember When...a Shop of Memories http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12888 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12888 Good points Kenneth! I will reread this email a couple of times to make sure I got them all. I'm glad you as passionate about this subject as you are. We Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:16:28 GMT Remember When...a Shop of Memories http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12887 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12887 Thanks Bob I have forwarded this on to my group. It looks like Davis would be a great place to live and ride. It also looks like they planned from near the Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:23:09 GMT fred_dot_u http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12886 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12886 Wow! So many flashes of such short duration in one video. I think it's great that a municipality/government/etc put such things together. Not preachy at Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:48:01 GMT John W http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12885 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12885 Thought you might be interested in these public service announcements from my home island. The announcements are only slightly different. Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:30:38 GMT Kenneth O'Brien http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12884 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12884 ... You can not teach bicyclists to ride safe or think about roadway bicycling properly with bikelanes. Bikelanes teach the exact opposite of what needs to be Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:49:16 GMT Robert J. Matter http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12883 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12883 ... Here's a good article to start with that has more links at the bottom: http://www.runmuki.com/paul/writing/davis.html Besides clean wide bike lanes in a Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:55:23 GMT Remember When...a Shop of Memories http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12882 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12882 Well Bob - what is right? I doubt I'll be cruising out to Davis so why don't you tell me about them. Thanks! Karen ... From: Robert J. Matter To: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:50:43 GMT Remember When...a Shop of Memories http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12881 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12881 ... all and have ... As with lane width, shoulders are not a bicyclist's issue. In general traveling bicyclists should be discouraged from riding in shoulder Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:51:16 GMT Robert J. Matter http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12880 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12880 ... Go ride in Davis, California for a week then come back and post your thoughts. It's all about how bike lanes are done. When they're done right, they're Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:31:20 GMT kob2@... http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12879 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12879 ... all and have ... As with lane width, shoulders are not a bicyclist's issue. In general traveling bicyclists should be discouraged from riding in shoulder Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:09:07 GMT Remember When...a Shop of Memories http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12878 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12878 Wow! Lively conversation! We have a few you guys here too. The roads that I am talking about are so narrow they have no shoulder at all and have cars parked Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:50:25 GMT Michael Graff http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12877 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12877 ... I looked over the draft [http://www.trafficsign.us/npa.html] recently and concluded that the Shared Lane Marker (aka SLM, aka sharrow) will only be used in Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:26:08 GMT bob.bayn@... http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12876 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12876 ... ...or a cosmetic indicator that shows that the lane is shareably wide, depending on the placement of the sharrow. The draft MUTCD specs for sharrows Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:27:27 GMT Michael Graff http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12875 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12875 When RJM and KOB agree about something, I start to worry! Of course, they dislike sharrows for different reasons, so the universe can continue to exist. 8-) Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:20:23 GMT kob2@... http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12874 http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bicyclingadvocacy/message/12874 Roadways are built for vehicles with higher potential top speeds and wider than bicyclist on bicycles. Therefore the road are MORE than good enough for bicycle