http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/ UK Bus Industry Discussion Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:15:42 GMT Philip Longdon http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2285 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2285 ... I'm not aware of any - put it that way. ... Correct, afaik. ... Not if the contract has already been let. Incidentally, in this case, Op. 4 has no other Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:37:17 GMT ptd673s http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2284 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2284 ... Fail it and request a vehicle which is capable for the task in hand. TM Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:52:57 GMT Andrew Fear http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2283 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2283 ... And what happens when you inevitably have to stop at the bus stop on the steepest part of the hill? Many larger operators will disconnect the ability to Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:00:57 GMT K. Nason http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2282 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2282 I remember travelling on a tour to Crich in 1998 from Liverpool on RMA58 and we had to get off the bus to get up a hill. I also remember how slow Dominators Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:37:16 GMT John Hammond http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2281 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2281 And what are you supposed to do on a fully auto box? You are at the mercy of the vehicle and its set up. The one occassion I had to roll back down a hill was Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:18:08 GMT ptd673s http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2280 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2280 ... It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it... TM Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:47:31 GMT John Hammond http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2279 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2279 Most ordinary people would be suprised how heavy a full load of passengers can be and how badly it can affect the performance of a bus, which is not Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:22:03 GMT Tom Brant http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2278 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2278 found this whilst catching up with my local headlines: http://www.expressandstar.com/2009/12/18/passengers-told-to-walk-as-bus-struggles-up-hill/ ! I for one Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:51:37 GMT mwpioneer http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2277 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2277 It just proves that you can never fathom bus operators' motivations ! I presume in GM you haven't got the complicating factors that you used to have among Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:59:02 GMT Tom Brant http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2276 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2276 I'd just like to ensure my wishes for a happy and safe to all. HAPPY 2010 Regards, Tom Brant. Sent via my shedsung corby. Visit my fotopic site at Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:42:34 GMT Philip Longdon http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2275 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2275 Thanks, Mike. We have had cases here in GM, of Operators (either the existing operator or someone else) indicating that they would run commercially, but I Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:32:09 GMT K. Nason http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2274 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2274 Already there are problems selling ex-London low floor double deckers, this will up costs of London operation as operators or lease companies will have to Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:00:13 GMT John Hammond http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2273 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2273 I don't think London has to be different, in the past it enjoyed the ability to purchase the buses it wanted from a supplier that built what it wanted, a Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:33:03 GMT mwpioneer http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2272 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2272 I don't know of any services in this neck of the woods which have started in competition with tendered services in the middle of the term of the contract. Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:35:13 GMT fiesta_courier http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2271 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bus_industry_discussion/message/2271 It sounds like the finished article with its triple doors and twin staircases might well closely resemble the tri-axle East Lancs things that went to