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      <title>Re: More advice in discussion about intersection bike lanes</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:32:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Wayne Pein</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28164</link>
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      <description>The planners in Portland Maine have already demonstrated an inability to paint AASHTO compliant width bike lanes, instead striping substandard width. It&#39;s</description>
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      <title>Re: More advice in discussion about intersection bike lanes</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:44:32 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>nrphillipsyh</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28163</link>
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      <description>John and others, Thanks for your extensive reply.  I had already seen AASHTO - given the frequent and continuing violations I see locally, I am reaching John</description>
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      <title>Re: LA Times Articles</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:09:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>opeapea</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28162</link>
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      <description>Serge: &quot;I agree with all of the above except the last sentence.  Given that most bicyclists don&#39;t know how to avoid right hooks and just maintain course and</description>
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      <title>Re: LA Times Articles</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:08:44 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Bob Shanteau</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28161</link>
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      <description>I forwarded JohnB&#39;s question about whether a stripe makes a bicyclist safer to Dan Gutierrez, and his analysis makes so much sense, I thought I would post it</description>
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      <title>Re: More advice in discussion about intersection bike lanes</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Peter Rosenfeld</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28160</link>
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      <description>Misreading JF&#39;s statement gave me a talking point  idea for when I discuss bikelanes with our local paint&amp;path folk: Bike Lanes protect you from a rare</description>
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      <title>Re: LA Times Articles</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:38:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JohnB</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28159</link>
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      <description>Thank you Serge and others for that cogent explanation. I was thinking about this on the way home Friday and have come up with another related way of</description>
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      <title>Re: More advice in discussion about intersection bike lanes</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:36:39 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>John Forester</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28158</link>
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      <description>As you wrote, bike-lane stripes violate speed positioning when cyclists are going faster than motorists. They also violate destination positioning when</description>
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      <title>Re: More advice in discussion about intersection bike lanes</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JohnB</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28157</link>
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      <description>Despite John F&#39;s insistence that there is no point in talking more about this to the planners, I&#39;m stubbornly still not ready to give up. (Credit my youthful</description>
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      <title>Re: LA Times Articles</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:58:55 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Serge Issakov</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28156</link>
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      <description>... How do you know that?  The missing data is how far from the edge of the road  they drive when bicyclists are not present. ... I&#39;m assuming that the</description>
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      <title>Re: More advice in discussion about intersection bike lanes</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:24:46 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>John Forester</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28155</link>
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      <description>Look, just give up bothering to talk about bike lanes at intersections. Nothing reasonable can be concluded about the things. Just accept that they are</description>
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      <title>Re: More advice in discussion about intersection bike lanes</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:40:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JohnB</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28154</link>
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      <description>One more thing: The Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia had a link to a summary of Delaware bicycle related law,</description>
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      <title>Analysis of ... cyclist fatalities: London</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:40:19 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>opeapea</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28153</link>
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      <description>I think this group will find this report &lt;http://londonroadsafety.tfl.gov.uk/www/downloads/publications/reports_r\ </description>
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      <title>Re: LA Times Articles</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:39:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>opeapea</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28152</link>
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      <description>... I think there is a typo here somewhere and that what you were saying is further passing distances can be translated into meaning people were more aware of</description>
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      <title>Re: More advice in discussion about intersection bike lanes</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:39:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JohnB</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28151</link>
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      <description>Hello, Most people on this list are more knowledgeable than I am, but I&#39;ll go ahead and give you my impression anyway, because only Bob has so far (although</description>
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      <title>Re: More advice in discussion about intersection bike lanes</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:10:16 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Bob Bayn</dc:creator>
      <link>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/28150</link>
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      <description>NRPhillips@... asked about the design requirements of bike lane stripes on approach to intersections, gave a couple examples of local issues and</description>
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