http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/ Climate Change Debate Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:39:39 GMT jtr_iv http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31595 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31595 Hi David, ... I hate to split hairs, but if someone is involved in a conspiracy to commit a crime, such a coordinating the deletion of E-mails to prevent FOIA Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:04:09 GMT jtr_iv http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31594 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31594 Hi David, ... I never said it was fraud, I was just explaining the context as I understand it. From the context of Jones calling this a "trick" to "hide the Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:36:48 GMT m1aport@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31593 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31593 Some are theorizing the CRU site may not have been hacked. Instead a whistle blower might have sent the files. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:52:50 GMT bobmagi@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31592 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31592 CRU e-mail hack comic http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0HiXKAFhRJ4/SwgFPZQKP3I/AAAAAAAABEI/kvE6NxpjcUY/s1600/Lukovitch.jpg Bob Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:46:24 GMT bobmagi@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31591 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31591 Ironic old ad from Humble Oil. http://www.grist.org/i/assets/2/humble-oil.jpg Bob Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:44:02 GMT jengsett http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31590 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31590 Novacell has introduced Novacell Portable Solar Charger that will able provide electric power for recharged your gadget batteries such as iPods,your mobile, Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:04:29 GMT ardoucette http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31589 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31589 The law is called the FOIA David. I thought you knew that. And it's NOT about Witch hunting, it's about the ability for others to independently review the data Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:02:50 GMT ardoucette http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31588 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31588 I don't think Dave Ramsey works for Fox. He has his own compay called the Lampo Group. http://www.daveramsey.com/company/about-dave/ He has a SHOW on Fox, but Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:47:06 GMT David Wojick http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31587 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31587 I imagine it is both Bruce, plus not wanting to be bothered. Providing data is a big job, so why do it for your sworn adversary? Why help your enemy? This is Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:35:14 GMT David Wojick http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31586 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31586 Criminal conspiracy requires the intent to commit a crime. It seems to me that they do not believe they are committing any crime. I don't think McIntyre Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:21:19 GMT David Wojick http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31585 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31585 On the contrary, what they are hiding is the weakness of the proxy data. The instrumental data is presumed to be correct. Substituting correct data for data Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:19:27 GMT Bruce Richardson http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31584 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31584 Bob, have you not looked at the article? Here's is the title: "Acid oceans leave fish at more risk from predators," I also noticed another article that has Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:32:50 GMT Bruce Richardson http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31583 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31583 I agree that it isn’t a criminal act so long as there is no fraud involved. However, I suspect that in most cases, disclosing is not prohibited. The Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:44:21 GMT jtr_iv http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31582 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31582 Hi David, Well sure, it's not new. But here we see that they consider it a "trick" to blend in instrumental data to "hide" the decline in proxy values. Jones Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:34:56 GMT jtr_iv http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31581 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatechangedebate/message/31581 Hi David, ... Why does thinking they are doing the right think exclude a criminal conspiracy? A conspiracy often involves people who think they are doing the