http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/ Discuss the concatenative variety of computer languages: Joy, Forth, Postscript Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:43:33 GMT William Tanksley, Jr http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4681 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4681 ... Nowak gave a good answer to this. Mine is a little different: No. If all you know how to read is plain English text, don't expect to be able to read Lisp, Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:28:23 GMT chris glur http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4680 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4680 jn wrote:- ... This is a confirmation of my claim that english is a crappy language. A main goal of mine/us IS to convey ideas to other programmers; usually Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:51:19 GMT John Nowak http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4679 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4679 ... Maybe, but not for the reasons you're presenting (e.g. some illustrative Joy example when many far clearer and more obvious versions exist). I do see how Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:26:29 GMT chris glur http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4678 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4678 ]> Is he really trying to dispute that a joy implementation of factorial ]> is less cognitively clear than the lisp or algol direct translation of ]> the Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:59:26 GMT William Tanksley, Jr http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4677 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4677 ... I've denied that your question is meaningful. Like the cat-like-discussion being 'wrong' because it doesn't look to the ... My response is the same as it Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:28:09 GMT John Nowak http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4676 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4676 ... No. Your reading comprehension is just very poor (in all honesty). - jn Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:13:33 GMT eas lab http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4675 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4675 Re. economics/employment, you've followed my 'wrong-question'. Like the cat-like-discussion being 'wrong' because it doesn't look to the higher, more Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:43:52 GMT pml060912 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4674 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4674 ... Don't let him get to you. You're getting angry enough that you're overstating your rebuttals (for instance, that economic claim isn't ENTIRELY incorrect, Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:28:07 GMT stevan apter http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4673 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4673 ... not to worry. as productivity approaches 1 all the displaced programmers can become managers. company hierarchy of the future: CTO ... mgr ... mgr ... Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:05:43 GMT William Tanksley, Jr http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4672 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4672 ... That's not even a vague approximation to what I said; it certainly doesn't belong in quotes. You picked up _nothing_ about what I meant, although you did Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:19:31 GMT chris glur http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4671 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4671 Perhaps because of 3rd [going 4th] world connectivety, I couldn't get the ltu - yet. But since I've 'got you on the line' I'll slip in MY topic "cat-like for Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:17:36 GMT John Nowak http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4670 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4670 ... For what it's worth, I've asked a similar question on LtU to cast a wider net: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3803 - jn Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:05:27 GMT William Tanksley, Jr http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4669 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4669 ... I haven't seemed to be able to add the value you're looking for, so good luck. I hope you come up with some interesting ideas. I'm only interested in Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:02:35 GMT chris glur http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4668 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4668 Can someone add value to my query/idea that 'perhaps cat-like is effective/productive in using pre-existing functions'. I'm only interested in productivety Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:04:23 GMT john@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4667 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4667 ... If you make use of the fact that almost all first-order functions have a fixed arity (e.g. 3 -> 2) except for bizarre functions like 'clear', you can type