http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/ Discuss the concatenative variety of computer languages: Joy, Forth, Postscript Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:20:51 GMT John Carter http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4643 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4643 ... Hmm. It's just another tool that sort of vanishes into the background of stuff getting done. Go digging (hard) around a major unixy project like gcc and Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:15:01 GMT William Tanksley, Jr http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4642 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4642 ... No, it's just a slow period -- this happens from time to time. There aren't many people carrying on active research; mine is on hiatus as I've been working Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:30:13 GMT Tom Schouten http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4641 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4641 ... Care to complete the list? Backus[1]. De Moor[2], Bird[3], Meijer[4], Patterson[5], Tatsuya[6], Iverson[7], Meertens[8], Gibbons[9]. [1] Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:59:04 GMT chris glur http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4640 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4640 This forum seems to have died. Perhaps others had discovered what I only now discovered: cat-style can be as deceptive as BASIC was in the 70s. You think Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:48:27 GMT john@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4639 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4639 ... I think it's more likely that no one is interested in responding to your inane questions. If you want to know what the point of all this is, go read Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:51:30 GMT chris glur http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4638 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4638 This forum seems to have died. Perhaps others had discovered what I only now discovered: cat-style can be as deceptive as BASIC was in the 70s. You think Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:56:59 GMT Tom Schouten http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4637 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4637 ... Interesting viewpoint. ... What you described is a `process' view on approaching a problem. The combinator-style that Joy/Factor/Forth/... promote is an Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:53:46 GMT chris glur http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4636 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4636 ... Yes, you're talking about making fish. I'm talking about making fishermen. Most of the value-added in computing comes from the soft: psychology and Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:47:24 GMT eas lab http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4635 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4635 .. continued fron previous post, because the mailer objected to the complete text. ... Because I'm an isolated researcher, I appreciate when others expose the Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:11:38 GMT Tom Schouten http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4634 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4634 ... I believe good results require a sufficiently annoying `itch' locally applied to a single implementor / designer. Committees are probably only useful if Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:25:17 GMT chris glur http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4633 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4633 ... I'd like to see a collaborative project in that direction; which was very transparent. I.e. doesn't just publish the final products hand-book, but rather Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:37:35 GMT Tom Schouten http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4632 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4632 Indeed. I've been pondering for a while about whether this is useful to actually turn into an application: to build a unix shell that _is_ a concatenative Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:01:52 GMT Don Groves http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4631 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4631 I have always found stack programming and Unix shell programming to be very similar, the stack being a LIFO pipe connecting successive refinements rather than Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:03:19 GMT chris glur http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4630 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4630 What is this good for ? The answer that I didn't get directly, but which hints led to, for my previous question: "what is cat-style good for"; could have been Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:33:31 GMT Tom Schouten http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4629 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4629 ... and another one: extensional, non-linear Joy stack machine that works using binary tree representation of code, and a binary tree rotation in the