http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/ A discussion group to freely debate. Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:17:34 GMT swimmingkangaroo http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248498 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248498 ... Dindy: That sounds like my list actually-- although I will read them if they are posting to me or responding to Bill on something. It perhaps would be Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:14:31 GMT Herbert B. Borteck http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248497 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248497 Philosophy of Religion Excerpt-Professor James hall, Univ. of Richmond Is Evidence Irrelevant to Faith? A claim frequently made by people of religious Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:55:55 GMT notdoctor http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248496 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248496 ... . . . . ... for a few segments of scriptures, that have been found in recent history, that is all we have to go by. ... a dead person.] ... translated it Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:54:51 GMT tinroad66 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248495 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248495 ... Tin: Well then you are missing out. I don't care about the "go to hell stuff" either, but Dave O has had -- at times -- some fantastic scientific Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:51:21 GMT tinroad66 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248494 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248494 ... Tin: I really think the more central key is the failure of ID to provide unique explanations or an explanatory framework within which to understand a Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:41:11 GMT tinroad66 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248493 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248493 ... Tin: Interesting. Leads me to think that are two different uses of the word "meaning". One that focuses on objective importance and another that Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:35:43 GMT tinroad66 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248492 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248492 ... Tin: Where is this alternate scientific explanation from ID ? All I see is meritless attacks on mainstream science. Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:31:47 GMT tinroad66 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248491 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248491 ... Tin: That's nice. How about addressing Herb's question ? "Then why is the mammalian hearing system so different from all other organisms?" Herb's Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:28:16 GMT tinroad66 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248490 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248490 ... Tin: Since Casinos produce waaaaaay lower probabilities has he written any papers claiming they don't exist either ? No ? Why not ? Because that would Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:22:11 GMT tinroad66 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248489 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248489 ... Tin: Irrelevant. Not science. Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:20:04 GMT tinroad66 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248488 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248488 ... Tin: If you read journal articles you will find that it is exceedingly rare for people to use direct quotes. As you say there are -- of course -- some Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:14:41 GMT Herbert B. Borteck http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248487 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248487 It is supported by observations of fossils and genetic sequences. WE THINK it happens via the same mechanisms seen at the species level. WE INFER that this Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:13:25 GMT tinroad66 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248486 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248486 ... Tin: At the same time, there are some legit uses of the ID concept. For example, an archeological dig finds....say a Vase....or one finds a watch on the Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:00:23 GMT tinroad66 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248485 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248485 ... Tin: They just never do scientific research using scientific hypotheses from ID, because ID doesn't have anything to do w science. Same with creationists, Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:46:22 GMT Joe http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248484 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/creation_evolution_debate/message/248484 ... Ok... I'll be the brave one. I never read MTong, Laurie, Gabor, Matt, or... get ready... Dave O. His knowledge of evolution/science seemed awesome, but